karyo Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Brighton (currently) Location: Brighton (currently) Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, jonboy said: was December 46 not similar to know and then look what happened. All notable winters don't start until late December /early Jan That's what I hear every year until we reach early January and nothing happens. A lot of things have changed since 2008 never mind1946! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Beccles, Suffolk. Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine... Location: Beccles, Suffolk. Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, jonboy said: was December 46 not similar to know and then look what happened. All notable winters don't start until late December /early Jan I guess it depends on how one defines 'similar', jonboy? 1947MNRAS.107..103N Page 103 ADSABS.HARVARD.EDU Edited December 18, 2019 by Ed Stone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy Posted December 18, 2019 Location: York Weather Preferences: Long warm summer evenings. Cold frosty sunny winter days. Location: York Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, karyo said: That's what I hear every year until we reach early January and nothing happens. A lot of things have changed since 2008 never mind1946! For a start December 2008 holds no comparison to this December and certainly the jan feb march period of 2009 holds no comparison to 47 so don't really get your point unless of course you are bringing in CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karyo Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Brighton (currently) Location: Brighton (currently) Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, jonboy said: For a start December 2008 holds no comparison to this December and certainly the jan feb march period of 2009 holds no comparison to 47 so don't really get your point unless of course you are bringing in CC You mentioned Dec 46 not be. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy Posted December 18, 2019 Location: York Weather Preferences: Long warm summer evenings. Cold frosty sunny winter days. Location: York Share Posted December 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, karyo said: You mentioned Dec 46 not be. lol Rude and not necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Beccles, Suffolk. Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine... Location: Beccles, Suffolk. Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, jonboy said: Rude and not necessary Well jonboy, it could be both or either of those (though, for the life of me, I can't see how!)? But, I rather suspect it's Karyo's observation's being an inconvenient truth that's got you so irked, and not its perceived 'rudeness'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirpig Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Kensington Location: Kensington Share Posted December 18, 2019 bring back the days of Brexit and politics at least it was something worthy to fall out about now we have stooped as low as to have a argument about bloody sun spots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset Weather Preferences: Hot sunny , cold and snowy, thunderstorms Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset Share Posted December 18, 2019 35 days blank, 272 for 2019, 77% Solar flux 70 Thermosphere: 3.17 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selliso Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Loggerheads, Staffs Weather Preferences: Hot and sunny summers, cold & snowy winters Location: Loggerheads, Staffs Share Posted December 18, 2019 This is my favourite post of the day! 36 minutes ago, weirpig said: bring back the days of Brexit and politics at least it was something worthy to fall out about now we have stooped as low as to have a argument about bloody sun spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy Posted December 18, 2019 Location: York Weather Preferences: Long warm summer evenings. Cold frosty sunny winter days. Location: York Share Posted December 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ed Stone said: Well jonboy, it could be both or either of those (though, for the life of me, I can't see how!)? But, I rather suspect it's Karyo's observation's being an inconvenient truth that's got you so irked, and not its perceived 'rudeness'? When anyone puts lol (laugh out loud) at the end of a statement it just becomes rude unnecessary and bluntly offensive. You will never see me doing that but then some off you clearly think its funny I don't 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Longden, Shropshire Location: Longden, Shropshire Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 hours ago, karyo said: I see this winter as equivalent in the solar cycle to winter 2008/9 which was a cold one in the UK. Looking at things as they stand now, I will be surprised if this winter turns out anywhere near as good. Me too. However, our best chance is probably a back loaded winter. Winter 08/09 was generally on the cold side (albeit with mild spells) to mid-February. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy Posted December 18, 2019 Location: York Weather Preferences: Long warm summer evenings. Cold frosty sunny winter days. Location: York Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Don said: Me too. However, our best chance is probably a back loaded winter. Winter 08/09 was generally on the cold side (albeit with mild spells) to mid-February. There is a view point that next year will have fewer sunspots than this in which case we are in 07/08 comparison in cycle terms. Only time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karyo Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Brighton (currently) Location: Brighton (currently) Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Don said: Me too. However, our best chance is probably a back loaded winter. Winter 08/09 was generally on the cold side (albeit with mild spells) to mid-February. Fingers crossed! What is the latest from the QBO, is it still westerly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Longden, Shropshire Location: Longden, Shropshire Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, karyo said: Fingers crossed! What is the latest from the QBO, is it still westerly? I believe it’s just entered into the easterly phase? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karyo Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Brighton (currently) Location: Brighton (currently) Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Don said: I believe it’s just entered into the easterly phase? Good, let's hope it starts to work its way down pronto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus 10 Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Galway Weather Preferences: Snow, frost hail, ice. Location: Galway Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Edited December 18, 2019 by Minus 10 additional information 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus 10 Posted December 18, 2019 Location: Galway Weather Preferences: Snow, frost hail, ice. Location: Galway Share Posted December 18, 2019 neutron count 10.2% very high 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted December 19, 2019 Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset Weather Preferences: Hot sunny , cold and snowy, thunderstorms Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset Share Posted December 19, 2019 36 days blank, 273 for 2019, 77% Solar flux 70 Thermosphere: 3.17 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katrine Basso Posted December 19, 2019 Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex Weather Preferences: Severe frosts, Heavy snowfall, Thunder and lightning, Stormy weather Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex Share Posted December 19, 2019 SOLAR WIND SPARKS AURORAS: A minor stream of solar wind hit Earth's magnetic field on Dec. 18th. The impact did not cause a geomagnetic storm. Nevertheless, Arctic sky watchers saw its effect. "The sky turned green!" reports Chad Blakley, whose Lights over Lapland webcam snapped this picture from Abisko, Sweden: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus 10 Posted December 19, 2019 Location: Galway Weather Preferences: Snow, frost hail, ice. Location: Galway Share Posted December 19, 2019 thermosphere 32.7 billion watts neutron count 9.6% high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus 10 Posted December 19, 2019 Location: Galway Weather Preferences: Snow, frost hail, ice. Location: Galway Share Posted December 19, 2019 latest from Tamitha Skov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katrine Basso Posted December 20, 2019 Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex Weather Preferences: Severe frosts, Heavy snowfall, Thunder and lightning, Stormy weather Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex Share Posted December 20, 2019 https://www.solarham.net/ Solar-terrestrial data 20 December 2019 08:13 Solar Flux Index: 70 Sunspot Number: 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarmy Posted December 20, 2019 Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL Weather Preferences: Hoar Frost, Snow, Misty Autumn mornings Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL Share Posted December 20, 2019 Skov mentions a brief spot in the video above. SIDC usually go back and review at month end, so maybe the spotless streak will get broken retrospectively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffC Posted December 20, 2019 Location: Coniston, Cumbria 90m ASL Weather Preferences: wintry Location: Coniston, Cumbria 90m ASL Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Katrine Basso said: https://www.solarham.net/ Solar-terrestrial data 20 December 2019 08:13 Solar Flux Index: 70 Sunspot Number: 0 Adjusted flux 67.6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgl Posted December 20, 2019 Location: Shrewsbury,Shropshire Location: Shrewsbury,Shropshire Share Posted December 20, 2019 Is it time to start thinking that any link between low sun spot numbers and colder winters in Europe was either a coincidence or has been eradicated by climate change? I think if next winter is mild my mind will be made up I know this winter is far from over but I would have at least hoped to have seen some snow by now. On the plus side we've had a fair few frosts. Just sick of all this rain... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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