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  • Location: London
  • Location: London

    In general I would say this summer in relation to 2004 and 2003 in the south east has been slightly more unsettled but still in the 'warmer than average' catergory. There seamed to be a higher frequency of more cloudier days/less sunny days than the previous 2 summers and heavier rainfall on sporadic days, and the consensus by the 'average Joe public' that summer 2005 has not been particularly good. This goes to prove just how our summers over the last decade or so have improved.

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  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire
  • Weather Preferences: Sunshine, convective precipitation, snow, thunderstorms, "episodic" months.
  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire

    Certainly in the North East, though, I think this improvement was more over a 20-30 year span than a 10-year span. I remember many summers in the mid 1990s that had higher sunshine totals than the ones of the 00s have generally had.

    In most places 2005 has been the second sunniest summer of the 00s (although summer 2001 was sunnier in parts of the south), but there were generally sunnier summers in 1994, 1995, 1996, and in places, 1997 and 1999.

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

    thanks for that, have you got the figure for 2003 handy, as that, here at any rate, was almost 0.5C higher than this summer?

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
    The CET for summer 2003 was 17.3

    Summer 2004 had a CET of 16.2

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    cheers mate

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  • Location: Skirlaugh, East Yorkshire
  • Location: Skirlaugh, East Yorkshire
    The CET average for summer 2005 is 16.3

    The summer CET average for summer 1990 is 16.2 and yet most people will remember summer 1990 more than summer 2005

    Funny old world

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    Indeed, that is generally because summer 1990 had one extremely hot month (August) and due to people's selective memories and the fact that the heat happened near the end, it will be remembered as a "good" summer. Interesting really as June 1990 was below average and July 1990 only just above average.

    Summer 2004 is similar but in a bad way, due to the below average July it was seen as a crap summer, despite being overall above average.

    There are also "forgotten" summers such as 1989, which was relatively warm and sunny right from May through to early October, this coming despite a hot July.

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  • Location: Irlam
  • Location: Irlam
    I thought 95 was a good hot summer...from what i remember ...and from early on it seemed really warm ?

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    Summer 1995 was a scorcher, it had a CET of 17.4 and was sunnier and drier than summer 2003 by a margin.

    There was some notable warm spells in the April and May but the heat really kicked off during the last third of June.

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  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire
  • Weather Preferences: Sunshine, convective precipitation, snow, thunderstorms, "episodic" months.
  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire

    Summer 2003 was particularly remarkable for its high minima, surely it must have been the hottest summer on record by that measure.

    In Lancaster the mean maximum and minimum for Summer 2003 were 19.5C and 12.5C respectively, compared with values of 20.1C and 12.2C respectively for Summer 1995.

    In Durham it was even more extreme- Summer 2003's mean minimum was 2C above the long-term average, compared with only 1C above in 1995. Once again, however, 1995 reported significantly higher maxima.

    I think summers tend to be remembered for prolonged spells of exceptional heat, rather than for overall temperature, or indeed sunshine. That's probably a major reason why summer 1989 rarely gets mentioned even though much of eastern Britain had their sunniest summer on record that year- there were not generally any exceptional prolonged hot spells.

    I also regard 1996 as a forgotten summer- maybe it was specific to Tyne & Wear, but in recent years only 1989 and 1995 produced sunnier summers in this region, and with 8 thunderdays, it was also the thunderiest summer there in my observational records dating back to 1993. However, temperatures were only about average, with high maxima offset to a degree by low minima.

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  • Location: Exeter, Devon, England
  • Location: Exeter, Devon, England

    Comparing summer 2004 with 2005 in Suffolk,

    2004

    June 16.3C / 41.6mm

    July 17.0C / 67.0mm

    August 18.1C / 133.2mm

    Warmest Day: 8th June (30.2C)

    2005

    June 16.8C / 28.8mm

    July 17.1C / 57.6mm

    August 16.2C / 73.6mm

    Warmest Day: 19th June (30.8C) - Warmest day since August 11th 2003.

    So summer 2004 had an average of 17.1C and 241.8mm! (thanks to a very wet August) whereas summer 2005 started well with a very warm and dry June, but then went rapidly downhill to end up with an average of 16.7C and 160mm.

    So here Summer 2004 was slightly warmer but wetter.

    What's interesting is the lack of >+30C maxima recorded recently especially in July and August. The last time that occured was in 2003.

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  • Location: South Pole
  • Location: South Pole
    i think this summer was average warm in july and quite cool in august and june.

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    June was one of the warmest on record! 33.1C unofficially in Central London on the 19th...

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

    hi

    you said

    'This Summer was not hot then 2003 '

    can you explain, it does not make sense at the moment

    many thanks

    John

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Well for Sheffield the averages can be seen here

    http://www.jtgroocock.plus.com/html/averag..._-_2004-05.html

    I've split them into seasons after seeing someone elses work I thought it was a good idea.

    2003 here was hotter overall than 2005 but countrywise it maybe not so.

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
    Well i said this years summer was not as hot as 2003 summer

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    thank you

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  • Location: Irlam
  • Location: Irlam

    Well its the first summer since 2000, where none of the summer months recorded a CET of 17C or greater.

    There have only been 6 summers since and including 1990, that didn't have at least one of the summer months breech the 17C CET mark

    1992, 1993, 1996 , 1998, 2000 and now 2005

    That compares to the period from 1973 to 1989, where there were only 5 summers which at least one of the summer months breech the 17C CET mark

    1975, 1976, 1983, 1984 and 1989

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    There was only 2 summers since and including 1990 that didn't have at least one of the summer months breech the 16C CET mark

    1993, 1998

    That compares to the period from 1973 to 1989, where there were 7 summers that didn't have at least one of the summer months breech the 16C CET mark

    1974, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1986, 1987, 1988

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  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire
  • Weather Preferences: Sunshine, convective precipitation, snow, thunderstorms, "episodic" months.
  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire

    Another interesting statistic, from the provisional Met Office sunshine series:

    Sunshine wise, Summer 2005 was a bog-standard summer for Scotland and Northern Ireland, with near average sunshine, losing out overall to Summer 2003.

    Over England and Wales, however, it was the sunniest summer since 1996, narrowly beating 2003.

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  • Location: Whipsnade, Beds
  • Location: Whipsnade, Beds
    Another interesting statistic, from the provisional Met Office sunshine series:

    Sunshine wise, Summer 2005 was a bog-standard summer for Scotland and Northern Ireland, with near average sunshine, losing out overall to Summer 2003.

    Over England and Wales, however, it was the sunniest summer since 1996, narrowly beating 2003.

    Can I caution against reading too much into the MO's sunshine series? Since the gradual replacement of Campbell-Stokes recorders with Kipp & Zonen radiation sensors began at the turn of the century, sunshine figures have been all over the place. The MO tell me they apply a blanket +10% correction to KZ figures to produce what they claim to be a seamless link, but anyone who has spent more than five minutes examining records from the two different types of sensor will know that there is nothing seamless about it.

    On a daily basis, the comparison of CS to KZ varies between -15% and +100%. On a monthly basis that reduces to -5% to +40%. Having tabulated and analysed these figures for four years, my provisional conclusion is that it is simply not possible usefully or accurately to merge the two sets of records.

    Philip Eden

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  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Continental winters & summers.
  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
    2004 will never be forgotten imo, the events of boscastle and it being the wettest summer on record.

    Agreed. There have been an interesting run of years so far this millenium.

    2000 - Duller and cooler than average.

    2001 - Warm, wet and thundery.

    2002 - Duller but warmer than average.

    2003 - Warmer than average !!! 38C on the 10th August.

    2004 - Wetter than average !!! Boscastle 200mm on 16th August

    2005 - More thunderstorms than any other summer I have been alive. If we go on the fact that Summer starts on 21st May and ends on 21st September - thunderstorms this summer as follows.

    Saturday 21st May

    Sunday 22nd May

    Monday 23rd May

    Friday 24th June

    Tuesday 28th June

    Monday 4th July

    Wednesday 31st August

    Saturday 10th September

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
    Agreed. There have been an interesting run of years so far this millenium.

    2000 - Duller and cooler than average.

    2001 - Warm, wet and thundery.

    2002 - Duller but warmer than average.

    2003 - Warmer than average !!! 38C on the 10th August.

    2004 - Wetter than average !!! Boscastle 200mm on 16th August

    2005 - More thunderstorms than any other summer I have been alive. If we go on the fact that Summer starts on 21st May and ends on 21st September - thunderstorms this summer as follows.

    Saturday 21st May

    Sunday 22nd May

    Monday 23rd May

    Friday 24th June

    Tuesday 28th June

    Monday 4th July

    Wednesday 31st August

    Saturday 10th September

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    we have to have a standardised system I'm afraid and that system is the World Meteorological Organisation definition for the northern hemishphere, which is

    summer=1 June to 30 August

    regards

    John

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