Solar Cycles

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Mann, when we all know the hockey sticks done! Watts Up With That .htm

Would you say that once locked in, this pattern could persist right through the summer GP?

For one I agree with your conclusion!

I'm with you on this one YS, until the PDO as switched over fully, then we will continue to see static temperatures. Though I would say it would take more than 12 months, for it to impact global temps. Fascinating times ahead in my opinion!

Thanks for digging that one out VP. A very interesting read, looks like there is no correlation between sunspots and thunderstorms. However that report is from 1936, so maybe more evidence will surface to support this. Also I noted the temperature correlations with sunspot activity, some evidence to suggest that fewer sunspots doesn't always equate to lower temps. This for me shows where the oceans play there part, heat stored and then slowly released over time. Now I'm sure I have a paper regarding solar activity and the oceans somewhere, but finding it will prove quite a challenge, with my cluttered filing system!

You mean ice melts in summer! Well blow me away, here's me thinking this was some kind of phenomenal event. It's rather amusing watching those warmers clutching at every straw to keep the faith. As I say every year, lets see what September brings!

Blimey GW, never thought I would hear those words from you. "Let's wait and see".

Not necessarily Pete. maybe just the NH.

Thanks VP. Is there anything you have come across, that shows some sort of correlation between solar activity and Thunderstorms?

Just posted something in the Spring/ Summer thread, might be more appropriate in here though. Many have noticed that during the last few years Thunderstorms have become less frequent. What are peoples opinion on this maybe being tied in with low solar activity. There as been some research into Thunderstorms and solar activity, but not much in the way of up to date research. Would be interesting to hear all your views, on the correlation of Thunderstorms and solar activity.

I wonder if there is a correlation between Thunderstorms and solar activity. Probably just a coincidence, but it does seem to tie in with continuing low solar activity! Apparently there as been some research into this, very patchy from what I can see. Does anyone have any up to date info on this? Mods I've started a thread regarding this over on the Climate forum, feel free to delete as it is off topic!

1947 anyone? Although quite a way off, this winter does look like we could well see some fireworks. It will be interesting to see what the SST's are come September!

One as to laugh, is this the same NASA that made those incorrect claims ( again ) about cycle 24!

Sorry noggin. Dearv Dear this thread is going down the plug hole now!

Dev I 'm afraid they do, there is an article I have somewhere regarding this. It was of course about the effects of AGW ( what a surprise ). Patrick Moore was a co founder of greenpeace, and now he as to run the gauntlet of hate directed at him by those so called peace lovers, just because he dares to speak out against AGW!

Not at all Dev, simply ask the former head of greenpeace his views. He stated more or less what I just said!

20 years ago the the green movement did a fantastic job, run by people who actually cared more about the environment, than scoring political goals. Fast forward to the here and now, and what we have now is a movement run by eco-terrorist, whose only prime concern is satisfying their own political agendas.

Much in the same way as Hansen then!!

GW, as much as I find some of your post to be rather doom laden, I enjoy reading them non the less. It's not a case of eating humble pie, and winners and losers, it's down to believing whether AGW is over hyped or not.

Arctic ice will always change, as it always as GW! There is not one shred of evidence to suggest man has been responsible for this decline. Come September we will have no records broken, just a continuing trend of a small increase. I'll be back in September to compare notes!

Come on GW. NO return to the Arctic we grew up knowing, a bit strong to say the least!

Don't count all your chickens before they hatch GW!

I don't think you are Jethro, too me it looks like more manipulated data tweaked here and there! I for one get sick and tired of reading these cherry picked reports, which have no raw data for you to access and draw your own conclusions. Anyway I'm off camping for a few days, no doubt when I return there will be more doom and gloom stories to catch up on!

Yes but if that was the case, it still wouldn't be proof that AGW was responsible. Also the blog which this is taken from, is a well known extremists site.

They have already written the press release for 2011 being the warmest on record!