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johnholmes

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  1. Well a long time since I created a post using the usual models ( 2 Feb the last times)

    In brief for approximately 23-27 February all 3 are on the same page. They show a marked upper trough over the UK edging slowly east and warming out slightly. On the surface ECMWF shows a deep low just south of Iceland on day 1 (27Feb), NOAA shows a marked 500 mb trough over the UK from a flabby sort of main trough NE Canada/NW Greenland by 26 February. UK Met 20-22 February shows a similar pattern with a marked upper trough and surface feature over the UK.

    NOAA has contours on its 6-10 over the UK from about 520-534 DM north to south over the UK. So cold by the average expected for late February. ECMWF shows a quite strong northerly pulling in the cold air, surface and at 500 mb. UK Met by its last date (22nd) shows a strong NNW’ly over the near Atlantic with a rather flabby low over the Northern Isles and a high west of the NNW’ly flow.

    Further ahead ECMWF indicates an upper ridge moving east into the SW along with a surface high a bit west of 20W at the same latitude as northern Spain.

    NOAA with its 8-14 day chart has a +ve height anomaly of 150 DM or so in about the same place as the ECMWF surface high.

    These charts would suggest that by the 27-28 February the cold air supply is being cut off. Probably by next Saturday ‘deepish’ cold air will be covering most parts, say -4 to -5 C at 850mb. I would think these conditions lasting until about month end?

    Just my take on the outlook!

    I'll try and post the charts I used to arrive at this

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    Original post: https://community.netweather.tv/topic/99814-model-output-discussion-22nd-jan-2024-onwards/?do=findComment&comment=5038707
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  2. Sorry I don't usually repeat my posts but I missed a part off, quite significant so here it is

    Not a full post but just showing the latest NOAA 6-14 day charts. Both have a gneral rather cold westerly 500 MB pattern. Not yet showing any signal for deep cold from a northerly point.

    The contour over southern England on the 6-10 day is 534 DM which is quite cold so even lower further north. Any ppn in the north would likely be snow and over most hills further south possibly lower at times depending on the actual synoptic pattern.

    Add there is a -ve height anomaly over the UK. In spite of the broad westerly at 500 mb this may be a signal for a surface feature to be over/east of the UK. Perhaps picking up on my highlighted original post. Maybe the ECMWF output may show this, I'll go have a look.


    Original post: https://community.netweather.tv/topic/99814-model-output-discussion-22nd-jan-2024-onwards/?do=findComment&comment=5027994
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