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Yup, been wet all day here, rain, followed by rain and then we had some rain to liven it up a bit.

*reads small print see, my point

Clear and just full here. Did look stunning until the cloud moved in.

4.9 oC here and was clear but signs of cloud moving in now. Have activated the frost shield on the car just in case (ok it is a sheet) as this morning was forced the scrape the car windows again at 06:00.

What ever anyone does suggest will qualify for some and fail for others (as stated above, we all live differently this is not a poke athe post just agreeing the points made), so starting early for some may mean a dark start but a light end to the day, others start late and in the light but come home in the dark, then the middle ground in winter get dark at both ends of the day but get a far better chance to enjoy the light in the summer. unless we have universal agreement on working hours, and time conventions then we must all share the burden that is "light" because as I said before all we are doing is moving our perception of light by meddling with time, but we still only get that same amount of light no matter what. We all want on call service providers, well if you work 9-5 then they must work 6-2 or 2-10 to give you that, like wise for shops or any other business you want access to outside of "your working hours". the only option to please all is we all work the same hours and agree the same time. can you imagine that? "hello ambulace?" ..." sorry we are only working 9-5 now, call back in the morning"! these people all need to see the daylight once in a while, so I say carry your burden for a few months and then welcome back the light when it arrives.

OMG $diety on a row boat! hope they are OK.

while the change in "time" affects us the amount of daylight still remains *seasonal* and if we did not have that we would not get the changes we need for snow for a start, just one of many contributers to our weather here in the UK. The only gripe I have with the clocks changing is my energy bill.

is that even possible?

To me it really is a case of "why fight what you cannot fight", so why try and change *time* instead, nothing changes except you, but by that same token you have made the change for it (time). It does seem odd that we [as a whole] do this as I understand it the practice was brought in to help the farmers, but I may be wrong. It still gets light and dark when it does, so why faff around with it? I say accept it and move on.

you can get the latest on this link at any time when they publish it http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif

IMHO if you "tweak" the time/clocks you can also "tweak" your life for that time, it *is* the same thing, time is not altered, you shift your day by an hour. But more so it less affects the many that work outside of the 9-5 style work pattern, and there is a lot more of them now. Think we should just accept the standard time and if the "individual" wants it different, then "they" can adapt to what they want, rather than the mass being forced to accept the will of the fewer (not minority), just adapt to what nature gives, because for all our attempts we cannot change the sun and the earth, we still get reduced daylight and consequencly more daylight as the seasons change, we cannot change that only in our minds. hope that mad ramble makes sense?

Try this link, they have data from 1978 through to the mid noughties http://nsidc.org/data/nsidc-0046.html

Many of us (myself included) would love to see a winter to remember but I think sadly also many of us (again myself included) find the horror of keeping warm and a waged income a bigger worry (or am I just being a pooper?)

After a dull, cold and murky start here in northants the sun came out *yay* ... ...Just as I left to go to the Herts game and country show at Redbourne where it stayed cooler and overcast most of the day (still a grand day out though) Some dense and sporadic fog/mist patches out there this evening though.

That would make it quite dark under those if you got one last time that happened to me was late 80's, a super storm hit on a June afternoon and day really did turn to night.

not that low here yet, but it has been dropping all day at quite a rate.

Hi all Nine hours of rain here now and it still continues, not seen any "dramatic" amounts, just a constant one, yet to see the wind, that I expect later in the night/early tomorrow. Think we could see some heavier boughts of rain then too.

sweet FA here again.

Was just saying yesterday that it seems we are already "drawing in", I miss the long days and being able to go out in the light late and see *nature* but I will add it does slow the weeds up a bit (but not enought that the buggers do not keep growing).

warm and dry here, if a tad breezy for a while.

Well another day and another storm free one for me, been in N.London, Herts, Beds, Bucks, and N'thants today and seen a couple of showers and not much else other than sun and some cloudy spells.

Took a trip to my nan's today just on the outskirts of north London and apart from one 15 min shower we had dry and often sunny weather all day, hell, whilst it was peeing it down on the ladies marathon we were outside doing the gardening and fixing a bird nest box, just goes to show what a few short miles can do. (as opposed to those long miles do )

Whilst the current batch of storm activity appears to have moved out into the N-Sea, there does appear to be some more potential storms moving in over Wales at present, just now depends on conditions allowing them the "spark off"

That afternoon burst gave us "quite a pummeling" (only rain sadly). but did you hear the 2/3 rumbles of thunder from that latest cell to pass through? In typical fashion it seemed to go active "after" it passed us

Hi Interesting topic/idea, but then you have the issue of relation to information given from a person to person based on "the future", this is (excuse my poor use of language here but I want to imply the *idea* of my thoughts) that you can quantify the facts of events that have not yet happened? prediction is difficult, be it markets or workload or whatever, so to take *facts* from a forecast/prediction and wanting "blood" for a false/wrong forecast is tantamount(sp?) to heading back to the dark ages. perhaps forecasts needs to come with a disclaimer? like this is not a flotation device when handed a brick?