January CET came in at 3.0c, 0.8c below the 1961-90 average, I would call that pretty decent myself! Cheeky Monkey I disagree. As others have pointed out, we haven't had the "dream synoptics" of days gone by, and as somebody else put it, we have had our fair share of marginal events that went the right side of marginal - something which hasn't happened the last 2 winters. If we get the dream synoptics some day, then perhaps we could see an old style winter? I think it has proved that even with less favourable synoptics, we can still get a decent winter - and 2008/09 has been a decent winter.