Nick L

Well 2007 can't have been far off it, flooding that you don't normally see even in winter should classify it as a poor summer in anybody's eyes. 2008 wasn't awful, but the incredible lack of sun was a real downer.

I hope you meant F! But yeah I remember that, one week it was crazily warm and the next we were covered in snow! Spring is a mad season.

The warm nights are the worst part of summer by far. At least for the past 2 years we haven't had to suffer it!

The title of this thread made me laugh. Conor, I think it's a joke to mock the modern winter thread. But I love the "modern summer" - cool and wet, I hate the heat! But a little more sunshine than last year though.

Just been out playing football and I was surprised at how warm it was. I hate it when it's like this. Because you have a combination of the very muddy pitch and the warmth. But Spring is definitely in the air, still no daffodils properly coming through yet though.

Thanks for that link, now I don't need to keep asking! In that case, I shall predict the continuation of the cool-cold months at 5.6c.

Is that 71-00 or 61-90?

I can't remember having so many frosts before, have had several ice days this winter as well. Snow in my area wasn't really anything special though. But the snow in Somerset definitely was!

I suppose. But you would have thought that temperatures would have at least loosely followed the cycle. Not wildly fluctuating and then being cold at the bottom of the cycle each time.

The thing about the Hale cycle though, is that surely winters would get progressively colder and progressively warmer, going with the solar cycle? This hasn't happened. 05/06 was cold, 06/07 was exceptionally mild, 07/08 was also mild, and now we have suddenly gone to cold again. It doesn't make sense IMO.

Sorry my bad. I meant I didn't agree with your statement "maybe this is as a cold as british winters will get in a warmer world?".

January CET came in at 3.0c, 0.8c below the 1961-90 average, I would call that pretty decent myself! Cheeky Monkey I disagree. As others have pointed out, we haven't had the "dream synoptics" of days gone by, and as somebody else put it, we have had our fair share of marginal events that went the right side of marginal - something which hasn't happened the last 2 winters. If we get the dream synoptics some day, then perhaps we could see an old style winter? I think it has proved that even with less favourable synoptics, we can still get a decent winter - and 2008/09 has been a decent winter.

Well the fact that we have got a 3.0c month shows that it is very possible to get a sub 3c. It's only 0.1c! I am just glad that we have a below average winter, as CET alone will not prove/disprove any warming.

Yeah sub 3 is becoming very unlikely by the looks of, barring a remarkably cold final week.

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?type...=eng&to=wel Some bits aren't translated properly and it probably won't be perfect but it's something! Great post Dartmoor Matt. I can't even remember the reasons for the Scottish Met Office anyway!

For the US? Or globally? Either way, that's understandable because both options are considerably bigger than the UK! As long as the figure eventually is announced I don't really mind, but it certainly is odd.

STILL no official figure. This is getting silly now!

Now that is something I agree with. The orientation of the BBC maps are unfair, giving London a better viewpoint whilst shoving Scotland into insignificance. I think that you should have your own BBC News and forecasts but not your own Met Office.

Do only Welsh taxpayers actually pay for the costs of getting everything translated? If so then it wouldn't be half bad but somehow I doubt thats the case...

Yes but doesn't virtually everybody in Wales speak English? Therefore having a Welsh translation would be unnecessary. More people speak English and Welsh than just Welsh. I think Staffordshire should have it's own Met Office...

The last morsels of snow in my garden melted yesterday, making that 14 days with snow on the ground! Next doors snowman still exists, but you can't really count that! Haven't seen many daffodils out at the moment...this time last year they were in full bloom! Says a lot about how normal this winter has been.

I just think its daft that we have had a winter that is a million times better than the majority of the past 20 years and people are STILL moaning. Someone mentioned this above, if this was a 2006/07 repeat then heaven help us... This winter I have seen nearly a foot of snow in SOMERSET, had a low temperature of -9c, several ice days and 2 weeks with snow on the ground. What a rubbish winter

Well not really. The South isn't as cold as the North generally, so we are not used to the snow that you get every winter. After all, we are "softie southerners"!

To be honest I couldn't give a damn about synoptics if we got the snow - which we did! A good winter in my opinion.

I think some northerners need lessons in the climate of the south! I don't know if you have noticed, but a foot of snow is pretty unusual down here, and in London it is very rare indeed, especially in the past 20 years.