Osbourne One-Nil

Thanks John... doesn't say how you stop it though. I think Cross Fell is going to have to go.

Aye - well, the snow in the photos was from the late Feb/early March dumping and the snow in the videos was from a few weeks later. The last patch on Cross Fell disappeared only this week.

As everyone embarking on the mid to late 40s dreams of, I've had to move in with my Dad for a while as he recovers from illness. He lives in a village that lies at the foot of the Pennines in Cumbria and is prone to the Helm Wind; apparently the only named wind in the UK. He's lived in the house for years, and while I know it can get windy there, I've never really experienced what the Helm Wind can do. Here area a few videos to give you an idea.... https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Pe8FFCLcWp3Dg7o2 Bear in mind that it can be almost dead calm just 3 or 4 miles away. I hate wind, but it can be quite pretty, particularly when it forms a Helm bar...a bank of cloud which breaks off and hangs over the Eden Valley. I still hate wind though.

And the benefit of a Greenland High is the blocking it provides against an Atlantic onslaught? I've only been here for 11 years - you're going to have to bear with me.

We're going to be a bit stricter about off-topic posting while it could potentially turn cold. Please use the ramp/moan thread for anything that isn't model-related and anyone who says "I know this is off topic but" and still posts, will be banned.

Just to remind people, this is the Model Discussion Thread, not the Ian Ferguson Twitter Thread! With thanks OON

This is the Model Discussion Thread. In fairness to those who want to visit the Model Discussion Thread to see discussion about, or discuss, model output, please stick to model discussion. I hope that clarifies things?!

Ah!!!!! Thought we'd become a desert for a moment.

Makes me a bit sullen.

Wettest place in the UK had 70.4mm? I had 21mm more than that. I know I'm not official but that's a very low total for the wettest place.

Oh I see - sorry! I meant Nov 2010 when we had all the lying snow and a sub zero end to the month. No wonder you were confused!

Highest temp 13.6º Lowest temp -6.4º Mean temp 3.4º Air frosts 17 Rainfall 91.8mm Highest gust 35mph

I was just simply comparing it to last year because it's the most recent comparison to hand!

The mean temperature here for November was 3.4º with 17 separate air frosts. This beats even Nov 2015 for number of frosts and the mean temp (if you're looking for cold). I do wonder why so many people pore over the models looking for cold when actually what we had in November was quite noteworthy in itself.

I think I prove your point.