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Stunning http://www.flickr.com/photos/eumetsat/10726056545/

This version of the unisys maps works well too

Will check the full report to see if they mention it. Isn't the argument often used that if renewables could stand on their own two feet then they wouldn't need subsidies?

I had an interest in science in general since I was kid, way back in the mid 90s! I remember buying the "Tornado" movie in 1998, I thought it was great at the time... Anyway, the winter of 95/96 and the Christmas Eve storm of 1997 helped develop my interest in weather from a young age.

I'm surprised there are not more posts about this. Antarctic sea ice is continuing it's exceptional record breaking run. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24833153

Just snow, or does sleet count?

Perhaps a slight impact on the ESS, but as there's no sea ice in the Bering sea yet and Chukchi hasn't been filled either, it's impact would be minimal. You can see the ice being driven back by southerly winds in the Kara/Laptev region on the IJIS sat images here though http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/cgi-bin/seaice-monitor.cgi?lang=e

Are we using official stations or from our own back yards?

BFTV, the bringer of bad news! We've seen 2 consecutive sea ice extent losses on IJIS over the last 2 days. For early November of the 2002-2012 period, this is unprecedented. What it really means, is that over the last 10 days, many years have caught right up with us, and 2008 has passed above 2013. Year..... Current Diff..... (10 days ago) 2012..... -721,410km2.... (-1,816,650) 2011.....-218,036km2.... (-1,297,723) 2010.....-282,375km2.... (-1,234,016) 2009.....-129,873km2.... (-1,122,954) 2008.....+516,576km2.... (-343,570) 2007.....-176,360km2.... (-1,417,638) When it comes to those hoping for a cold winter, this isn't a bad thing. Numerous studies have shown that low sea ice years tend to have increased chances of cold winters in Europe.

Just the east Greenland current is where the ice flows along, which stays along the coast, keeping the ice from drifting toward Iceland I think. I think the snow cover is there in the archive images from the end of 2005. It's called the Odden Ice Tongue

Here's a screen shot of the page before they changed it

Sorry guys, the sea ice creeps down the east coast of Greenland toward Iceland every year, but quite rarely actually reaches it. Much closer to Iceland this time last year Closer again in 2011 But as you can see from March of 1980, even in years with impressive ice coverage, the ice usually just hugs the south Greenland coast, rather than extending toward Iceland. However, earlier in the 20th century, it was a more regular occurrence for the sea to reach Iceland. All the charts are here and here

A 2.6k drop with NSIDC too. Looks like a lot of ice blown back in the Kara and Laptev sea.

Yep, things looking better so far this Autumn. I think the telling volume data will be in March. Below are the 850hPa temp anomalies for Oct 1st to Nov 3rd, from 2007 to this year. This year is looking quite different to the last 6, especially for the Barents/Kara region. If those cold anomalies persist through the winter, the extent gains on the Atlantic side of the Arctic, coupled with the continued -ve PDO, the extent and volume could see quite a jump by March. Plenty of time for things to change though, but it should be interesting to watch.

Are you thinking of these, Dev? http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-model-gw-projections-done-better-than-you-think.html http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/fake-skeptic-draws-fake-picture-of-global-temperature/ I don't think the one posted by Sparkicle from Spencer's blog is the graph your thinking of though.

7th largest October NH snow extent on record (following the 6th largest for September). That's 3rd largest for Eurasia and 20th largest for North America http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1

Yep. That 13.0C was set in 2005. I'm sure it will be lowered closer to the time, as many days were in October.

Maxima looked like they were around 11C, as predicted above so 8.3C is likely on tomorrows update. After that, the 12z GFS has the CET at 8.5C to the 6th (9.6) 8.5C to the 7th (8.4) 8.5C to the 8th (8.3) 8.2C to the 9th (6.2) 8.1C to the 10th (7.5) 8.6C to the 11th (13.3) 8.7C to the 12th (9.7)

Certainly not infallible, but it helps to raise research standard and cut out bias and hyperbole. Nope, not an assumption. A prediction based on the evidence, understanding and analysis of many experts, quite different to an assumption. Whether it's completely accurate or not, I think we'll agree, only time will tell. Anywho, off to the climate and environment area with anymore of this methinks!

Wouldn't mind seeing the whole quote for context, given the media and others tendency to misrepresent climate scientists. I note, which you didn't mention, Dr Viner also said this Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said. Here's the whole Telegraph piece http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html Doesn't seem too far off. Despite the odd snowy winter, the long term trends is for them to become less snowy. As for a 1600s climate occurring within 17 years, barring some cataclysmic event, I'd say impossible. The predictions for low solar activity in the early 90s and subsequent dramatic cooling were also wrong. Numerous studies have indicated and even a grand minimum scenario would only slow the warming over the next century. As for what the science says, I'd say examine the peer reviewed evidence, not the tabloid interviews

Still raining, only about 2mm overnight though. Currently 8.3C, drizzling and a bit breezy. Temperature reached double digits during the night for the first time since the 2nd!

Yep, certainly doing well compared to recent years. What's shown on the NSIDC graphs is the 5 day average, you can get the daily updates at around 3 or 4pm here ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/data/NH_seaice_extent_nrt.csv Here's another graph, with just Novembers data. IJIS updates closer to 9am, and has shown just a 17k increase for yesterday which is way below average. It will be interesting to see how NSIDC compares later on.

An increase of just 17k on IJIS yesterday, the lowest increase on that date for the 2002-2013 period

A figure of speech! Ah right! Anyway, plenty to watch over the coming years if solar activity remains low, keeping the chances of cold winters relatively high