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Hello Cyclonic - where have you been?! I really enjoyed (and, hopefully continue to enjoy?!) your posts - you really keep this thread going. How are things looking now?

Bone dry here in Norwich again - if there was any rain around these parts then it missed my garden (or, rather, my garden is REALLY missing it!). Amazing watching the bands of rain either slide right past us to the west or split apart as they reach us here in Eastern part of East Anglia. And looks like nothing in the pipeline either for us(again this may be literal before too long if this dry weather keeps up!).

Intersting and useful website - not too sure this piece of data from the UK section: 9°C Luton Sea temperature in Luton Average water temperature: 12.1°C I would imagine that'll keep people from flocking to the beautiful sandy beaches of Luton lol! http://nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

Those are probably the periods I am thinking of TWS Thanks for that - interesting stuff for us Norvicencians! Bring on a good dump this week then :-)

Thanks for that info TWS - I too live in Norwich and was very frustrated by (non-)events a fortnight or so ago, loving snow as I do If memory serves me correctly, this sort of thing seems to happen a lot here - I have talked to my (offline) friends about there being an apparent snow-shield over central to north-east Norfolk! Over the last few years I've watched likely - sometimes heavy - snow appear to fizzle out on the radar as it approaches Norfolk, whether it be frontal snow or streamers setting up around us. We know that large bodies of water help to modify the atmosphere, to generate or maintain some of this snow for us, due to the lake-effect - as I understand it a body of (relatively) warm water sending up energy and moisture into cold air, condensing out and freezing to then fall back down as snow - sometimes heavy. I believe this is what helps set up streamers. Do you think that it is possible that whilst areas of the North Sea to the North and South East of Norfolk have relatively deep water, for some reason the shallower waters off the Norfolk coast (there are loads of sandbanks and shallow water that stretch well out to sea to the N, NE and E of Norfolk) may mean the waters there are shallower and cooler and therefore creating less convection = less lake effect? Less energy into the air may slightly tip the balance away from snowy towards... nothingness for us here! Looking at the Sea Surface Temperatures in the North Sea, there does appear to be a cooler 'blob' (to use Daniel Corbetts terminology!) in the area I've mentioned. When I have seen apparent precipitation heading our way, it seems to be over this area that it fizzles out. Could be a coincidence I guess, but do you think this is a possible cause of the apparent pattern I believe I have seen over the last few years?

Surely the best weather presenter (and overall presentation) ever has to be Jeremy Paxman for the extremely short duration that Newsnight had weather reports, as shown in this clip from Have I Got News For You... Seriously though, I can't stand bad English on any serious TV presentation. I do hate it when presenters say, as seems to be the vogue on weather reports at the moment, "In the morning hours..." or "As we move towards the evening hours we'll find that...". What on earth is wrong with "In the morning..." or "...in the evening..."?

I'd be happy for us to share it with 'em!

It's off the website Timmytour - was updated at 9am this morning, only 4 hours ago!

After a bit of drizzle for the last half hour, got darker again here in Norwich and starting to lightly snow - I wonder how long it will take for the precipitation to keep going here. Will it pass over quickly , or will it start sliding up th from SW to NE as the band pulls back South East? Only time will tell!

Well, hopefully not that long, runboy. That band that went over us does look like it is pivoting and going to return pretty quickly - and I suspect it will draw some colder air back over us, so perhaps it could be a bit better on the return soon after lunch! Also, we can have pretty heavy snow in early March - and we have the rest of February to get through yet!. talking of which, it does look like - according to the model and SSW threads - that with the Stratospheric Warming event that has occured this could lead to prolonged high pressure setting up to our North / North West / North East and drag in a prolonged Easterly / Northerly. It's more this wind direction, with the source from very cold that, with a little help of turbulence in the stream, a bit of 'lake effect' from the North Sea and small low pressures sliding down beside us can dump a lot of snow on us lot stuck out into the North Sea! Caveat: I don't have much knowledge on either Statospheric Warming, wind directions, and the effects of either, just passing on my interpretation of what I have picked up in the last few years watching this website! I love to be corrected ( in a nice way)

Well, once again it looks like Norwich area and Eastern Norfolk is going to miss out on this again. Been raining since 9ish and started snowing a little bit at 10. Fairly light but largeish flakes coming down at the moment which admittedly is starting to setttle, amazingly. However it looks like the precipitation band will move away quickly, so what has settled will probably melt :-( Tried to attach pic of my green, green grass but I can't upload phone pics according to the website. And as I type this the snow is stopping* When-oh-when?! I'm off to slit my wrists * has stopped

Agreed - especially the bit in bold.

Looks like some rather uninformed arguments being put forward here. I would recommend the book 'Skeptical Environmentalist', which covers plenty of what is being debated (and not very well, I hasten to add!) - and more besides..! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skeptical-Environm...1821&sr=8-1 Global Warming is definitely happening, over the long-run. Anthropogenic Global Warming is also happening, but it seems the jury is still very much out on what the actual / real effect of the AGW is - and how best to deal with it. The above book is written by Bjorn Lomborg, who used to be a member of Greenpeace, but left them. He left as he discovered the organisation was being rather choosy about what / how data was represented and interpreted, in much the same way as business / governments do. This in itself came about as, whilst Lomborg was - in his words - an 'old, left-wing style member of Greenpeace', some bloke argued against the doomsday environmental scenarios that were being bandied about. As an old-school style environmentalist - and a rather good statistician - Lomborg got so left trouser leged off about this that he decided to reanalyse the base data that the accumulated propaganda (on both sides of the argument) had built towards to prove this guy wrong. He expected to find that the other guy was twisting data to fit his right-wing capitalist agenda. But what he found was that - although the guy had some errors - a large part of what this other guy was saying was valid and correct. This made Lomborg question more 'accepted' environmental approaches and views and he started to see that the old fashioned environmentalism was as wrong as the arch-capitalist 'finger-in-the-ears-and-la-la-la' approach! Out of this he did more work and - having left Greenpeace, amongst other things wrote the above book to reanalyse what is going on in the world, environmentally. He is not an anti or pro environmentalist. He is not anti or pro GW / AGW. What he is the best type of commentator: not being lazy and looking at and understanding the data and hoping to guide what the best way is to understand the issues, the underlying causes and the best way to act (or not) to come to the best conclusion. Buy it, read it, enjoy it but most of all, GET EDUCATED!

Oh, you swine!

I've been astounded at how little snow we have had here in Norwich. Was watching the radar both last night when bitterly cold easterlies were driving snow off the Wash and the Thames all around us, and through this morning as the wind direction has changed and the orientation of the snow showers and frontal snow has changed - somehow it has all missed us with the lightest of snow with very intermittent moderate snow through today. Thaw has really set in now: roads clear, water dripping off trees which are turning green all around them as the grass shjows through. no more than an inch laying here over the last 30 hours. Blast - I now have to walk into town in mucky slush rather than lovely crisp snow I was expecting. Waahhh!!!