PK2

Hello, just wondering if any of you know anything about this http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/need_to_read/2012/06/14/waterspout-spotted-over-pwllheli-55578-31179651/ ?

Any updates on the Antarctic ice? Also, Gray-Wolf, how do you find your way around the image website. I can't seem to work out which image relates to which location :blush:

Thanks GW. I'm sure there will be plenty of images at some time unless it "crashes" into the sea ice and "re-joins". I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'their "cycle"' (from quote below) though. Could you explain further for me

Grey Wolf, I'm wondering if you have any pictures of this - . I hope no one minds me asking this, and I know that it is a small thing relative to the size of the antarctic and therefore not relevant to charts from NASA et al.

Hi C, Thanks for the info. I think then I was trying to ask if we are seeing ice building that might be thick enough to make it through the summer and become "old ice". I'm also intrigued by the possibility of an "ice bridge" to Iceland. PK

Hello, Another question from a long term reader of this thread. I'm not sure if this has been asked before but are we seeing increase in the area covered by "thin" sea ice that will melt quickly in the summer or is this new ice "proper" arctic ice that will "last" - at least for a while? Regards PK

Thanks. I have been a "lurker" for a long time but haven't felt the "need" to post. It seems to me that most discussion on this subject could be compared to some form of "trench warfare" where there is never any real change in position but a lot of venom (hmmm mixed metaphors) flung around. Good question. The thought had occurred to me. I've not noticed this government having too much of a problem increasing revenue even before the "green" issue became popular. I see a great synergy in the policies; reduce travel by car to - reduce congestion, reduce pollution of all types (no judgment made on C02 in this regard), reduce obesity (assuming more people walk/cycle), reduce dependence on imported energy, individuals save money... All good things... To me the "no regrets" policy could be read as an attempt to gain what freedoms "big business" have always wanted from the government by using climate change as an excuse. And you thought you were cynical... I thought I could "embrace and extend" your analogy to my own ends... Apologies for that, however I think as extended its quite good, though I do say so myself. Perhaps they could reduce the cost of treaties if they started using video conferencing rather than jetting round the world (which surely can't help emissions). :unsure: I'm not great on all these things but if we "capture" all of the carbon stored underground and release it into the atmosphere, and assuming that CO2 is a GHG then would the global temperature not end up be similar to that when Britain was a tropical rainforest? My point is that one of the proposed methods of reducing CO2 emission is to sequester it in mines, however that is where it has already been sequestered.

Not wishing to intrude too much into your discussions but I'll don't see too many chances to ask a question I would like answering. Capt'n Bobski, I'm asking you since you seem to be one of the less "excitable" proponents of the theory below: What I would like to know is what is your opinion on this http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17...2493206,00.html ? Specifically "One well-placed government source told The Times that Mr Brown had to be persuaded within the Treasury even to take the steps he did, such was his lack of enthusiasm for green taxes." Of course I do agree with the point that if we all stopped smoking and drinking (and using so much petrol) then there would be major economic problems. IMO, your analogy doesn't show demonstrate what you claim. Starting from the premise that one can either can put a bandage on it now or try to reattach the leg later. If one does nothing until the leg reattachment is attempted then it will be likely that the patient will have bleed to death or the leg/foot cannot be attached due to decay of the leg or healing of the stump. Thus if you wish to make an attempt at leg reattachment some intermediate steps are required (reduce blood flow, refrigerate leg etc). I would suggest that we could take a similar approach to reducing our CO2 levels - ie take as many "cheap" steps as we can whilst looking for a long term solution.