Harsh Climate

For me at 200ft altitude, no -10 uppers or colder in an easterly no interest due to the time of year. 4/500ft up though -7/8s can produce a nice suprise

Never seen Neteather so quiet in heart of winter before, seems like people have finally smelt the coffee and started not to believe absolute nonsense 'mountain torque, angular momentum... forecasts..... Where if they can find a shred of 'current weather' backing up their predictions, they then build that into their forecast methods!! Glad this lunacy has seemingly come to an end. The weather will do what it will do, you can't use a 'sole driver'out of 1000s and build a forecast entirely from it!... (Like thunderstorm activity has increased in the sub-tropics so we are going to get northern blocking in 2 weeks time!!!!)..

Il be honest I thought this whole event was crap. Even with a couple cm, with temps around 0.4c and always a wetness to the snow, did not float my boat at all! No magic to it, just thought if only I was a couple hundred foot higher up. It sucks to be of low altitude lol. Otley 310ft and Guiseley 475ft every snow event I was always just right side of marginal!

Mod wet snow here kippax 240ft

Iceaxecrampon No expect it to turn to snow when evaporative cooling kicks in. Like I say a big pink patch will start appearing over even as far south as North Wales when this happens. It'sonce that transition has happened widely, if your still in blue then it's game over...

Slightly more optimistic this morning. 1. The precipitation looks like coming in earlier than expected. 2.The precipitation looks much more heavier widespread than expected.

blizzard81 Don't know If I've got the energy for another long chase hopefully the sight of snow tomorrow will get the fire burning again!

Cracking ECM 240H Hard to get Excited over a 240h chart when we have had so so many this winter lead to nothing! Yes some background signals are supportive but I will believe it when it's down to T96 thanks. And to be honest this isn't even a holy grail chart we would be trying to reel in it's just a 'GREAT POTENTIAL' chart at the furthest reaches of FI . Guess we got to start somewhere .

Aiden2012 My advice is to go out and enjoy it while it lasts, before ya know it the dreaded 'drip' will have set in, then it is game over for any excitement, unless your easily pleased! For Leeds are I think light sleet/snow 9:30am, heavy from about 11:30am, couple cm above 50m by 2:30pm, by 3pm the first signs of the dreaded drip, snow sliding off your parked car windows and windscreen... Oooo is it just the weight of the snow??? No just the dreaded thaw kicking into place. Like I said, my only interest from this is can it be heavy/intense enough to get me snowed off work before I finish at 2pm?? Could have done with it setting in before 8am so very unlikely now. You guys above 200m, You should see heavier snow perhaps 7/8cm and the thaw come in a bit later. Perhaps 6pm. Still nothing to right home about. Think what could have been 2 days ago. Heavy snow Thursday, more heavy snow Friday as it pushes back south with precipitation coming in from the North Sea from the wrap around, then colder.. As usual we have drawn the short straw!

Mark_p Where there is real blobs of intensity that sticks around on radar locally that can be game changing and what throws many a forecaster. Evaporative cooling with high snowfall rates can put a lot down very quickly!

mike57 Wish that's all I had to worry about, ''it been windy on bin day..''

Dark Horse For me in the early 2000s some of my best snow falls came from North Westerlies! Potent showers feeding through gaps in the pennines down the wharfedale valley to Otley. Usually melted quickly but something else seeing snow rates of 3'' or 4''/hour dropping a few cm in half hour from horizontal snow! Whatever happens tomorrow my expectations are low so won't be disappointed if don't see much.

frosty ground Such a shame, 2 days ago there was the possibility of Thursdays low pulling away back SE with a colder NE flow in behind for 24 hours.. Bringing the chance of round 2 with the precipitation heading back south or snow showers from North Sea. Instead we end up with that horrid Snow to rain event, we're you would be in ya class at school getting all excited at big flakes falling outside, only for the teacher to say 'It will turn to rain soon, get on with your class work!'... . That is my memories of winters as a child in the nineties... This is a nineties winter so far!

Scandinavian High. Just read it, hardly an inspiring update. We needs cold/snow from E / NE not 'colder conditions COULD develop in the east' and 'high pressure extending from mainland Europe' ( in other words a cold bartlett ) . Too late in the day for a slow burner I'm afraid.

blizzard81 Hopefull that the 12z runs can salvage something from a pretty dire change of output over the last 24 hours or so. Not one to throw the towel in early especially with a fair few background drivers in our favour but we need to start seeing something soon! Show us the 🌨.

Never seen such hysteria over a quick snow to rain event, Going to be a lot of disappointed people come this time tomorrow. Well unless ya one of those farmers/hermits who's right out in the sticks.

cheshire snow Looking a none event below 200m now, maybe a little snow followed by drip drip by noon. Downgrades overnight with the heaviest precipitation further north into Northern England, with milder uppers further north too. High ground near Buxton now not likely to see 50cm, more like 15-20 max. Lower down, even 1000ft I would expect any snow to turn sleety late afternoon with a thaw setting in. Those mild uppers by even as early as 3pm are pretty damning

Just can't see this anything other than a morning/early afternoon affair below 300m quickly turning to drip drip. Think there are going to be a fair few disappointed people come tomorrow afternoon especially in the NW and Midlands threads. Downgrades overnight with heaviest precipitation now progged further north over us, but with quicker advance of milder air. I think high up near Buxton has gone from 40cm to almost just 15-20cm lol. All I hope from tomorrow is that the snow can come heavy enough and early enough to get me snowed off work, not bothered if it's drip drip by noon.

Models are all over the place at the moment and no surprise as many clearly can't even get Thursdays event right even at this range! I feel we are going to get a colder feed in eventually from the NE/E next week with possibly something bigger on the horizon.

Latest bbc forecast showed temperature of 7-9c for Friday now

Empire Of Snow I think they will see some snow down levels in Midlands but that will come from evaporative cooling, as soon as intensity drops it will turn more sleety. Also late Thursday as milder uppers push up it will turn to rain anyway.

Latest Gfs might be good for us below 100m though, might see a couple cm proper snow Thursday with uppers -5 - -7 rather than a day of heavy snow that doesn't settle! Bit of a downgrade for you guys 150-200m+ 12z Aprege/GFS lowers your snow totals by atleast half due to lack of intensity..

Forget how far north the front reaches, what's most disheartening for me it's now looking almost certain that all snow will turn to rain Friday below about 300m. Hard to get excited about a snow to rain event.

Empire Of Snow I think it will be a fine balancing act in not having the fronts push too far north (with associated milder uppers) and the heavy/beefy pulses of precipitation pushing far enough North to reach us. Where the snow is really coming down, this will lower the snow levels quite rapidly with the evaporative cooling. Empire Of Snow I think you will do well at your altitude and location.

Mark Bayley yeah those amounts seem reasonable, Maybe close to double (100m+) by early Friday morning if the milder air can be kept at bay a touch longer.