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  1. That may be so and quite likely we have missed to boat for this with so much ill feeling have been generated but the EU have devised a system to enable the smaller nations to have a fairer crack at the whip. Therein probably one of the greater differences between the EU and the UK. Even though I am English I have been appalled at the way Mrs May has been doing everything she can to exclude the Scots from the realistic decision making of Brexit. Most of my adult life has been concerned with justice and in the last couple of years or so there has been so much injustice over this matter and it makes my blood boil. Had leave won fair and square I would have no reason to quibble but they didn't they cheated, then Mrs May took up the leave banner solely for the short term political benefit of herself and her party which makes her as bad as the wide boys who led the leave campaign. What was really needed was respect to be given by both sides for their different points of view and to try to reach a consensus and I couldn't agree more that size is not necessarily right as Mrs May seems to think.
  2. I was really thinking about the flag which has 12 stars on it rather than 4. As for God save the Queen - it is a bit odd when having home internationals, we still have the National Anthem whilst the other home nations have their own. The National Anthem is such a dirge tune it is little wonder we lose at times - it puts the team in the wrong state of mind - perhaps we should change it for Pomp and Circumstance, that is a bit more rousing.
  3. The antics of some of our football hooligans when visiting matches abroad draping themselves in the national flag or the Union Jack and such far right wing organisations adopting these flags in a similar fashion hardly go towards instilling pride in one's country. I feel shamed at seeing our national emblems used for such purposes and I am sure others do as well. I personally find I can have more pride in that blue flag with stars on it. There was a time when we could have genuine pride in our country but sadly a minority have done much to destroy this. As far as the break up of the Union is concerned, I would have thought a way forward would be to allow all the countries their own domestic autonomy more but gather them together into a federated state - perhaps establish the main government at a more central area, Dudley? No skin off my nose. This could give us a situation where we could treat each other as more equal partners and build on that. I am sure that would put paid to a lot of the grievances.
  4. In connection with the above, the below indicates what brexit is currently costing and from what I can see does not appear to include the costs of administering brexit, so I would expect the total costs to be quite a bit higher if we take this into account as well: http://costofbrexit.bitballoon.com/
  5. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/968712/brexit-remoaners-doorsteps-campaigners-house-visit-uk-eu Yesterday the Sunday Express published this article - apparently the pro EU side are making efforts to get amongst the public to demonstrate the truth of our membership of the EU. The leavers are complaining bitterly about this and trying to suggest that such actions usurp democracy. But it is quite obvious that they only believe in selective democracy, one which applies to themselves, a mendacious referendum and excludes all opinions other than their own, which in fact is a far cry from the universal democracy I thought we had prior to this situation. In a truly democratic society the remainers have every right to disagree with brexit and they also have every right to try to persuade people of its pitfalls provided they do this within the law. It does show that they have scant regard for true democracy but that they should vent their spleen in this manner is hardly surprising - it has been their constant modus operandi to belittle, bully and scorn those who disagree with them. Hopefully this pro EU campaign will go a long way towards exposing the absurdity of the fanatic leave argument and shows up the leavers for what they really are.
  6. The point I keep mentioning WP is that whilst the government are wasting time, money and resources in pursuing this pie in the sky brexit policy, they do not have those to address the issues you have rightly raised. In many ways our country is now in a bit of a mess. That is the reason why so many from impoverished areas voted leave in what now appears to have been a fruitless effort to draw attention to their plight. It is not sound sense to fight a battle on two fronts, one or the other must take priority and I would suggest that should be tackling our own domestic issues should take first priority. At the moment Brexit is only serving to deepen the issues we already have - the government is cynically directing its limited resources towards brexit in order that it can divert attention from our own domestic issues by making the poor poorer. All this is now becoming apparent and the government have boxed themselves into a corner without the guts to come clean and honest, fearing they would lose their political advantage and without the ken to realise that this will disappear anyway once the proverbial hits the fan. This takes blind faith to an entirely different level.
  7. So what I understand from this, is that until a deal is reached in black and white, the UK is not only losing the 44%, (the figure so often bandied about by the leavers to show such trade is decreasing) of trade it does directly with the EU but in addition a further 15% of trade facilitated via the EU via external clients, in fact making a possible loss of some 59%. A possible add on to this could be the passporting rights of finance and services, increasing that figure still further. Should that be the case I cannot see any logic at all in taking such a risk with the economy of our country - the leavers speak in glowing terms of trade with the rest of the world but from what I hear, it is the consensus of the rest of the world that they would prefer a deal with a block of getting on for half a billion, rather than an entity of about one tenth of that size. As far as I am aware, size really does matter - it is straightforward common sense that a larger entity will have a greater chance of success in negotiations than a smaller entity. So really why are the leavers so keen on this course of action? They are clearly not concerned about the prospect of losing their EU citizenship and all that goes with it but that is a matter for them but to take it away from the remainder of us, plus succeeding generations without a 'do you mind' indicates an extremely selfish view point. Consider that if the referendum had gone the other way, or article 50 were to be rescinded (it's still possible) what would the leavers really be losing or suffering, apart from a blow to the ego? The main plank on which they fought the referendum was immigration and the only immigration which would have been affected by leaving would have been that of EU nationals. Apparently immigration from non EU sources still continues apace, whilst there has been a reduction in EU immigration, even a loss as such either leave or are preparing to leave. This was a group mainly of workers of value, more so than many from without the EU which included a number who had low educational, skills and language benefits, making them virtually unemployable in any but a low skilled capacity, who paid their and were an asset to the country, many doing jobs which or indigenous population were not prepared to do. I am fully convinced that a caring responsible government would never have allowed such risks to be taken with our future, so take it from that they are neither caring, nor responsible - they are just taking a very short sighted view of their own immediate future, then hoping against hope that something will turn up and in any case try to talk themselves out of the problems they have caused, relying on the support of their faithful and their dislike of Mr Corbyn to carry them through, which is a very unrealistic attitude.
  8. And just why can't compete with France or Germany in manufacturing - there was a time when we led the world in this - might it just be that since the 60's we have made a series of mistakes - tradesmen were quite willing to work in manufacturing and we had the skills - what we didn't have was the appreciation of the jobs those people did - have we been tied down by our continuing class war and is that which is continuing to defeat us in this respect - ah respect, perhaps this is the operative word - people do like to feel respected and valued. First and foremost before we do anything else we need to take a long hard look at ourselves - unfortunately some of us are too arrogant for that, after all what could they possibly do what was wrong?
  9. We are all fully entitled to have a go at our politicians if we don't think they are doing a good job, we are not attacking them on the grounds of race, colour or creed, merely on their incompetence.
  10. Sadly my pride in being English has taken a bit of a battering over the past couple of years or so - we used to be noted for being tolerant and welcoming, for fair play with a keen sense of justice and being reliable, trustworthy and dependable - whatever has happened in this post truth world where the result counts more than the means to attain it? Being brought up in England with two English parents, speaking English is only half the story.
  11. One never knows Pete - all I am aware of is a series of outlandish ideas.
  12. It's a bit of a sod really isn't? First of all we had the Celts, objecting to the Romans, then after a while they got used to each other with many getting Romanised, then after that we had the bloody Angles and the Saxons coming over but after a while we got used to that as well, then the damned Vikings started coming over - Alfred the Great wasn't too keen on them but he was a canny lad and decide that the best thing to do was to amalgamate - it wasn't smooth going mind you and did not get completed during his reign but eventually this was done and we had England as one united country. Then blow me down if the Normans didn't come over in 1066 - the were originally Vikings but had settled in Normandy and adopted the French language and ways. As a result we got a good portion of the French language assimilated into English and our Queen is still a Duke of Normandy. During the middle to late middle ages we got Wales, Ireland and Scotland tagged on and by the time Scotland joined we became Grande Bretagne - that was because we became bigger, not in the obese American sense but our country enlarged. It didn't stop there, we had those Huguenots, you know the protestants from France coming over but they did a good job earning lots of dough for export in the rag trade. Overall we all became assimilated, so much so that I would defy anybody to tell the difference, one from another, except for perhaps a clue in the surname but the object here is that we are not just one indigenous people, we are a pot pourri of different people, who after time managed to assimilate and join together to become one nationality, even though they did not all adopt the same religion. Some remained Catholics, some became Protestants, the C of E variety, whilst others later on became Methodists, Baptists and suchlike. So now, with this later lot, there are more different religions, customs and skin colours but in time these will become assimilated too, just like the others. Also remember that the Cheddar man of 10,000 years ago was a black man as were many who came over about the period because they had made their way up originally from Africa and from what I understand it took something like about 2,000 years of cloudy skies for the pigmentation to disappear, so things aren't always what they seem at first. Patience mon brave.
  13. This is UK calling Houston, UK calling Houston - I regret to say we will have to about our present mission, we are having a problem with one of our crew members, Kent. He wants to enter a black hole which he believes we will come out of and enter a world where the British Empire still exists.
  14. To be truthful Kent, none of those scare stories worried me - I continued to eat eggs during Edwina Curry's salmonella scare, I continued to eat beef during the mad cow scare, I didn't really believe the story of the millenium bug, though I did get myself a laptop as a backup, I've never been worried about solar eclipses, although there is a possibility that that the sewers could overflow when we become too broke to maintain them properly. I never believed the stories which the leavers put out about the 'corrupt' EU, though corruption is wide spread throughout the world and it occurs in every land and every reasonable large organisation - I checked the facts. It's amazing how some leavers have amazing fairy stories on one side, which they expect us to believe but do not accept the truth when they are told it.
  15. Kent, you still don't get it do you? We, or rather our head bangers on the right took it into their heads that they wish to leave the EU - this was a system which was running quite well and during our membership our fortunes improved - it is not a perfect organisation, none devised by man has ever been such. As a result the right wing head bangers pestered and pestered because for some reason they did not like the EU - the reasons were many and various, from an antipathy towards Germany, possibly because they never forgave them for two world wars, to downright xenophobia, to arrogance in thinking we were better than what we actually are, to fortune seeking and as a soap box which would provide the only avenue or chance they had to get their names up in light. They pestered so much that Cameron gave in and promised a referendum. Then in the campaign the leavers lied through their back teeth about the £350 million a week, about the accession of Turkey to the EU being imminent and as a result laying ourselves open to a potential further 70 million migrants. They suggested that all the Syrians and others who had sought refuge in Germany would be at liberty to come to the UK also but they were not EU citizens and the freedom of movement did not apply to them. And when it was on the news that a number were responsible for assaulting German girls and woman, the leave side milked it for all it was worth. In addition they misrepresented the truth in relation to sovereignty, control of our borders, made a series of promises which they knew they could not keep and aided by a compliant right wing press which had its own vested interests for seeking a brexit managed to hoodwink the British electorate into voting leave by a slight majority. I mention all this because though it has been mentioned many times, it is either not sinking in or being ignored completely. Any connection between that referendum and democracy is in name only. Now all these things were not a closely guarded secret with a reaction from around the world of WTF - have the Brits lost their marbles? So we go into negotiations with the EU to try and reach a deal with the attitude of they need us more than we need them with a pretence that we are playing our cards close to our chest but in reality we have no cards at all, not even a plan. It is our country which has shot itself in the foot and the EU know this, so under the circumstances you can hardly blame them for not wanting to play softball. They have their position and they are sticking to it, they are under no obligation to do anything else. Meanwhile the remainers are told, 'You lost, suck it up' and many phrases to that effect with the Prime Minister describing us as citizens of nowhere', so not only do the leavers cheat in order to win the referendum by a small margin, they continually try to rub our noses in it. Far from uniting the country, all this has caused a serious divide which will not quickly be forgiven. A divided country is not an ideal state in which to go out into the big wide world to try and make our fortunes - it will put us at a serious disadvantage - what will be more of a disadvantage is that when trying to negotiate a deal the other sides are quite likely to say to any offer they put on the table, 'take it or leave it' - we will need them far more than they need us and it is business to use whatever advantage you have to try and obtain the most advantageous deal to your side. As it is our electricity generation capability is only just sufficient to keep us afloat - we currently (not really a pun intended) an arrangement with France to import some of their electricity when needed. Over the past 40 or so years the economies of the EU and the UK have become absolutely entwined and hardly a day goes by without something cropping up which we have not really thought about. So if shove does come to shove we will be up the creek without a paddle and once left we will not be in a position to shout foul to the ECJ. But you just carry on in your blissful ignorance and dreams that it will all work out ok on the night. Some of us think a little bit more deeply about this. The EU is far better equipped to weather any storms than what we are. The effect of the disappearance of UK PLC will not affect the rest of the world as greatly as you would like to imagine - if necessary the world will continue quite well without us and barely miss a stride - we are not indispensable and the brexiteers are making a great mistake to think we are.
  16. Further to my earlier post which began as above, the brexit section of the government are saying as reported in the below link of a Guardian article. They are denying such a scenario but what else would you expect? The original allegedly came from civil servants working within that field - I know which version I am more inclined to accept and in any case isn't it still the 'post truth' era? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/03/government-plays-down-brexit-armageddon-fears
  17. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/revealed-plans-for-doomsday-no-deal-brexit-02mld2jg2 This is something which the government are not likely to release because it is contrary to the view they are trying to portray that being 'everything will be alright on the night'. However I would suggest that the whole brexit saga could be entitled, 'A Comedy of Errors' and it makes you seriously wonder whether any of this self inflicted damage was really necessary in pursuit of such a nebulous political ideal. I post this in full because I believe it is important and shows what could come to pass - of the course the leavers are bound to shout 'Scaremongering' but they shout that at pretty well anything these days, sometimes when a remainer opens his mouth and before he says anything but personally I would not be willing to take the risk and with the shambolic performance of our esteemed leaders, this could well come to pass: "Revealed: plans for Doomsday Brexit Food, petrol and medicines would run out in a no-deal scenario Britain would be hit with shortages of medicine, fuel and food within a fortnight if the UK tries to leave the European Union without a deal, according to a Doomsday Brexit scenario drawn up by senior civil servants for David Davis. Whitehall has begun contingency planning for the port of Dover to collapse “on day one” if Britain crashes out of the EU, leading to critical shortages of supplies. Last month officials in Davis’s Brexit department and the departments of health and transport drew up scenarios for a no-deal Brexit — a mild one, a severe one and one dubbed “Armageddon”. A source said: “In the second scenario, not even the worst, the port of Dover will collapse on day one. The supermarkets in Cornwall and Scotland will run out of food within a couple of days, and hospitals will run out of medicines within two weeks.” Officials would have to charter aircraft, or use the RAF to ferry supplies to the furthest corners of the UK. “You would have to medevac medicine into Britain, and at the end of week two we would be running out of petrol as well,” the source said. Concern about chaos at Dover was behind a decision by Highways England to announce plans last month to build “one or more lorry holding areas” in Kent “to reduce the congestion caused by cross-Channel disruption”. It is understood that the papers were prepared for the so-called Inter-Ministerial Group on Preparedness, which meets weekly when parliament is sitting. One official said the scenarios are so explosive they have only been shared with a handful of ministers and are “locked in a safe”. A spokesman for the Brexit department confirmed the discussions had taken place, but said it was “completely false” that the doomsday scenario would unfold: “A significant amount of work and decision-making has gone into our no-deal plans, especially where it relates to ports, and we know that none of this would come to pass.” But the details were leaked by officials who believe Brexiteers are still too bullish about the prospect of walking away and trading on World Trade Organisation terms. Brexiteers accused the civil service of peddling a new version of “Project Fear”. Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, said: “They are frozen in the headlights. They should be planning for what happens if there is no deal, not scaring the pants off each other. We need people with imagination and courage, not frightened rabbits.” The government has said it would in effect throw open Britain’s borders in the event of a no-deal Brexit. But officials fear the EU, particularly the French, would not do the same. A senior official said: “We are entirely dependent on Europe reciprocating our posture that we will do nothing to impede the flow of goods into the UK. If, for whatever reason, Europe decides to slow that supply down, then we’re screwed.” Disrupting trade would lead to “reciprocal jeopardy”, with the French also running short of medicines, but officials believe that would take six months to have an effect. “The French are militant about borders,” a source added. Davis has sought to persuade civic leaders in key ports such as Calais and Antwerp to tell their central governments that goods must keep flowing. Layla Moran, a Liberal Democrat who speaks for the pro-remain group Best for Britain, called on the government to publish the documents. “We can now see that the government are driving us all towards disaster. What is worse is that they know it too,” she said. In a detailed analysis of the state of the Brexit negotiations today, The Sunday Times also reveals: ■ Davis and Theresa May clashed last week over the publication of a white paper on Brexit, with the prime minister blocking its release until after the next EU summit on June 28. Davis wanted it released by June 14 ■ UK officials said the June summit was heading for a “car crash” because “no progress has been made since March” to devise plans for a long-term deal ■ The 150-page white paper still contains large areas of red ink where the cabinet is yet to agree a plan. ■ The prime minister’s preferred customs plan has been ditched as unworkable ■ EU officials have warned May’s negotiator Oliver Robbins that they will embarrass her before the Tory party conference unless she solves the issue of Northern Ireland’s border by the end of the summer ■ The French president Emmanuel Macron snubbed the PM when she tried to strike a security deal with the EU at a recent summit ■ Remain-backing MPs plan to apply for judicial reviews of ministerial directives on Brexit and to use an obscure parliamentary device to force debates on aspects of the withdrawal bill to delay Brexit ■ Tory MPs who support Brexit are calling on party bosses to axe any colleagues who vote to stay in a customs union, saying they have broken manifesto pledges. Put Gove in No 10, says Tory donor The Tory donor Crispin Odey has called for Michael Gove to take over as prime minister, claiming Theresa May “cannot carry Brexit through any more”. Odey, a hedge fund manager, said Gove, the environment secretary, was “very aware he has to appeal not just to the wealthy, but also more broadly”.
  18. We appear to have what may be one of the worst Tory leaderships in history but it appears that people get voting inertia where, however bad it gets, they still keep voting the same way, or perhaps they may realise and cannot bring themselves to vote for the opposition, which currently is understandable. However there are alternatives but here people will feel that it is wasting their vote - I don't agree with point of view - our political system is well past its 'use by' date and need of reform. The most pressing reform I can see would be to change the FPTP to a PR system where by necessity the attitude will change from confrontation towards consensus (which I think is a more grown up way) but to do this parliament would have to vote for it. The two main parties, both Tory and Labour, do like the idea that when they do get in power, it is total, so, as a result whenever the subject is brought up for debate in the house they continue to vote for the FPTP system where reasonably large majority in the house gives them such power, however it hardly seems fair, or democratic that the ruling party gets into power by just, say some 37% of the popular vote which means in effect that the wishes of the other 63% of the electorate are effectively ignored. It won't be until sufficient of the electorate catch on and vote for the minor alternative parties that we ever would get a change.
  19. I'm working on a reverse principle of Joseph Goebbels, who said that if you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth in peoples minds. In was rather hoping that by repeating the truth enough times that the people who believe the lies will eventually come round to believing the truth. It is such an important matter for the future of our country that I feel I have to keep trying, otherwise we will end up sleep walking into an abyss and our children and grand children would never forgive us.
  20. Obviously a sarcastic remark and I can read between your lines - I have said before that the future of a country depends on its young, some governments understand that and invest more in them. Our country neglects this, hence attention is not being paid to integration - no doubt you will see it as an excuse to kick 'em out, as some of your side would like to do with the remainers but unfortunately we can't transport them to the colonies any longer. We currently have the highest prison population in Europe and with the prisons also being under resourced it means many being locked up for 23 hours a day with little opportunity for rehabilitation or to learn a meaningful trade, or to integrate - instead in the free time they have they go on to take a masters in committing crime or becoming radicalised. That's what happens when you have a government more interested in following its own political agenda rather than seeing to the needs of the country. It also means that the police and other youth organisions which could combat this are still too under resourced because the government are still chasing this will 'o wisp brexit, hence the current situation of so many feral kids who make up their own laws. So under the current conditions I see no end to this violence - if anything it is likely to get worse but isn't that what you have been voting for?
  21. I expect it will be one of his great trade deals to sell gas to us at inflated prices - I suppose that going into such a trade deal would be akin to us going into a poker game with ten bob in our pocket whilst the Americans have a couple of grand.
  22. The difference between brexit and the day to day running of the country is that brexit is like getting a puppy for Christmas, you get it for keeps, whereas the day to day running of the country can be changed via lobbying, elections or a general outcry by the public. Since only 37% of the electorate have shown themselves in favour of such a drastic change, it should never happen. If the government were not wasting time and money on this brexit experiment, they would have more resources to devote to the matters which are really affecting people's day to day lives and make efforts to address and improve their lot. However, Mrs May thought that by going for brexit, she would be on a vote winner, thereby securing her position - how wrong she was - she should have realised by now that she has backed the wrong horse and admit she made a mistake - it would be the only way she would be able to retain some shreds of credibility in the longer term for her and her party.
  23. That is where you have been misinformed Kent - as I have frequently posted, the prospect of an ever closer union, was published in a 'YES' to remain in the EEC - Edward Heath also spoke of there being an ever closer union when he spoke in the house prior to the '75 referendum, so people were informed of this at the time - it's just that the leavers have conveniently forgotten about this now because somehow they think that if the electorate was hoodwinked in 1975, it made it ok for them to hoodwink the population in '16. Just so that you can refresh you mind of how the EU works, I attach the below link. The bottom line is that the EU cannot force us into a federation against our consent - we have a veto and so do the other 27 member states. https://www.facebook.com/777832385/videos/10156557860697386/ I agree that we are approaching a dictatorship but it is a dictatorship from Whitehall led by the leaders who are showing themselves quite intolerant to any opposition to their plans and aspirations.
  24. I think you have that just about right Dave, I for one have seldom drunk Jack Daniels, Southern Comfort, or any of the others. I will put the US version of Budweiser and the Californian wines on my taboo list now as well and stick to the occasional glass of Armagnac, Jameson's, the wines of Le Midi (they are great now) and will keep insisting on calling Shiraz, Syrah, though we did let ourselves down the other day through shopping at Cosco's for the barbecue we had on Bank Holiday Monday. As a matter of interest the Americans had a plan to invade Britain and its Empire during the 30's: https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/america-planned-war-britain-revealed/ There is little doubt that they were envious of the British Empire and during the 30's they had fairly large groups of Germans and Irish, both with their reasons to fight the British Empire. However, although they did helped us in two world wars they made sure we paid for it with crippling sums which signalled the downfall of the British Empire, so they got their wish. In fact the wars which left us impoverished allowed them to become rich beyond our imaginations. This left it clear for themselves to become the chief honchos of the world, a position which they have jealously guarded ever since. Now they have adopted a policy that 'Might is right' but as we have seen that has not always been the case.
  25. http://www.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5?r=US&IR=T&IR=T "The Brexit deadline is March 2019, just 10 months away. The polls suggest that as Britain goes through its historic departure from Europe, a majority of people wish it never happened." So exactly where is the 'will of the people now'? "At the same time, Prime Minister May's net approval rating has moved upward as she inches toward a soft Brexit, according to a moving average of opinion polls compiled by Pantheon Macroeconomics: At the current time, however the government appear to be running out of ideas and the EU doesn't have to do anything, just sit and wait - they are not obliged to negotiate, we are the ones who asked to leave and talk of the EU punishing us for our temerity is just leave propaganda, trying to paint the EU as the big bad wolf, when in fact it was the people who dreamed up this silly idea in the first place for the material and political benefit of themselves and their chums, without hardly a thought of the effect on the country. They just expected us to all bow down and do as we are told.
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