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    The Quiet Sun - Climatic Consequences

    in Space, Science & nature

    Posted

    I think we can almost leave AGW out of this thread or maybe just admit there are 2 paths an AGW one of say 0.2C per decade and a non AGW one and then decide what effect say a Dalton will have and leave it to that. I appreciate it might be a pot kettle black situation. Sorry for being OT.

    I agree with the sentiments of the above post insofar as it suggests that avoidance of an ‘either/or’ approach to this topic is concerned. The question surely is “whether the recent absence of sunspot activity if continued would lead to climate cooling (and other adjustments) and what level of extension to the current situation might be required to produce appreciable and long-term changes based on historical observation and extrapolation”, irrespective of other potential influences or at least accepting other potential influences as being part of our climatic status quo.

    Met Office Claims 'barbecue Summer' Prediction Was Right ...

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    well i have to admit i felt this summer was as good as i expected after reading the BBQ Summer forecast made by the MetO

    OK they got it wrong. but did they? i think the use of the phrase was probably a bad choice, but the weather here in the SE certainly lived up to the forecast. trouble is, it seems that it is only the East/South East (according to all the posts here) who managed to do that.

    They got it wrong for up here. Big Style! There was hardly a day that you could have got the charcoal to light or wanted to sit out with a beer. The MO's big mistake was certainly in going for the dramatic headline. I doubt they'll do that again soon.

    Reputation......

    in Help, support and feedback

    Posted

    I think it’s been interesting to see peoples’ views on this and I’ve been impressed by the quality of the debate, with good points raised by many and clear answers given by Paul. Wrong, but clear. Of particular interest to me were the latter posts by NSSC, who I greatly admire as a positive contributor to the netweather forum, and AFT, who I greatly don’t, both making well considered and presented arguments for the mitigation of nuisance and organised bullying. Just goes to show that perceived reputation sometimes counts for nothing.

    Picking up on your last point, Paul, I would hope that in the interests of natural justice and the assessment of worth that all awards of reputation points, plus or minus, will be attributable to the members making them.

    And at the end of the day, Delta X-Ray will still be Mondy, which I think says it all.

    Reputation......

    in Help, support and feedback

    Posted

    I do not believe this system will used sensibly. The post above shows 3 minus points at time of posting this. Why? There is nothing in that comment deserving of such abuse. That’s no more than a reaction against an individual who has a ‘reputation’ for being unpopular.

    What ever happened to good manners and accountability? When did the easy option become preferred to proper investigation, and then intelligent appraisal and interaction? Why pander to those who either can’t be bothered taking the extra minute to say thank you properly, or those who will inevitably and interminably hide behind the anonymity of a red button to take side swipes at members they don’t like? Where is the equality of exposure that signals the ‘reputation’ of the person awarding the reputation point? How is this monitored, is it monitored, and if so why should that not be public information? If not, where is the protection from abuse?

    I fully admit to not being as smart or as industrious as many of the leading lights in this forum, but I know who they are and I enjoyed learning that over time by reading people’s posts, averaging out their worth, and mentally placing them in a pecking order of clever to stupid, good to bad, instructive to destructive, good egg to rotten apple. Similarly, I hope I’m not the worst offender when it comes to inappropriate posts, lack of courtesy, deliberate incitement, or deadly-dullness (at least not usually), but again I know the members who I believe are guilty of these traits and I learned that through reading what they have to say. I’m sure the vast majority of members have gone through a similar process, and newcomers should be trusted to do the same without arbitrary beauty parade scores being flashed up for them. I can’t see how a reputation score can possibly be more valuable than taking the trouble to get to know your peers and using a wee bit of wit to search out those who bring most value to the forum.

    Reputations are subjective and all sorts of prejudices get caught up in the judgement of a person’s character and worth. The true worth of an individual post has nothing to do with personal consensus. The awarding of points, whether they are fairly assigned or not, is divisive at best and abdicates judgement to the mob at worst. I cannot understand how this will increase enjoyment of the forum in any way. Surely it is better to encourage courtesy in applauding a valuable post, and require integrity in challenging a valueless one through proper communication - in public.

    Unless, of course, that’s not the point and all this is, is a rather clumsy moderating tool. Is it?

    General Climate Change Discussion.......

    in Space, Science & nature

    Posted

    Post-1956 is a different kettle of fish from pre-1956.

    Oh dear, is there also a leaky kettle? I’d just got the hang of the bucket and now you’ve added the further complication of a spout.

    Or are you intending to introduce fish as a new line of investigation? Fish induced global warming perhaps? I suppose, in a reverse angled analysis kind of way, that the relationship between warming oceans and decreasing numbers of cod, for instance, might have been looked at the wrong way round previously. Maybe it is the reduction in fish numbers (where are they all going) that has warmed the oceans. They are cold blooded admittedly, and the loss of all that refrigerant must have an effect...

    Now off to check out variance in solar cycles.

    General Climate Change Discussion.......

    in Space, Science & nature

    Posted

    Now, now Devonian, you misconstrue my notation. Or perhaps I was unduly ambiguous. The strike out through ‘rabid’ was intended to acknowledge that that kind of descriptor has no place in reasonable discussion. Nothing more.

    As for simple science, Iceberg, I agree with your comment but I have to say that I do feel there has been an ‘absolutist’ wing to the AGW camp, and that I also feel they have promoted, or been used to promote, a kind of tidal swell of purported fact, based on their interpretation of the science, pushing us towards an imperative acceptance of human responsibility for causing global warming and thereby an imperative acceptance of human responsibility for ‘curing’ global warming. I imply no conspiracy theory here, scientific or political, but do feel that a weighty body of opinion has looked at cause and effect, panicked, and set off prematurely on a crusade to save the world. The consequences of that concern me, but that’s a topic for another forum.

    General Climate Change Discussion.......

    in Space, Science & nature

    Posted

    Or the science....

    Well there is that, of course. But how 'hot' is the science? No, seriously. There are other threads in the forum relating to leaky buckets and solar cycle forcing that I find really very interesting in that they support my impirical assessment that climate change/chaos/adjustment is not just as simple as the most rabid avid AGWers would have us believe. I know it's too easy in this context to cherry pick the most agreeable science, but after the past few years of carbon-based warming taking the forefront, I for one find it refreshing to have other possibilities being brought more forcefully to our attention. None of which is meant to rubbish your preferred route of investigation, merely to support more acceptance of diversity of thought.

    General Climate Change Discussion.......

    in Space, Science & nature

    Posted

    ... Our CO2 is as much responsible for the ever-changing climate as my cats are ...

    You are obviously making a mockery of this whole affair, sir. It is clear to the most casual observer that if one accepts the sun as being really quite a big thing and the earth as a relatively small thing, then a anthropoid is a very small thing and a cat, although much bigger than a CO2 which is very very very tiny, is still far too small to cause the warming of something much much much bigger. No, I suggest you stick to basics, and if you’re looking for the cause of warming look for the biggest, hottest thing you can find. Like the sun, for instance. Or Heidi Klum….

    Solar and Aurora Activity Chat

    in Space, Science & nature

    Posted

    Em, Pete, I am no expert on such matters, but it seems to me that the authors of a goodly number of international scientific research papers, and (more importantly) over a thousand posts in this thread, would be a tad surprised and not a little dismayed if NSSC had had the definitive answer to your question all this time, and just not shared it with us. Or did I miss something?

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    What Is Causing The Warming ?

    in Climate Change

    Posted

    I am still trying to find any evidence of a lag in solar which would support the high temps we currently have.

    Hey, speak for yourself. Those of us in North Jetland are simply looking for evidence of high temps. Full stop.

    Joking aside, are you talking local, latitudinal, hemi-spherical or global in respect of high temps?

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