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  1. Pretty much every report pre the vote and pretty much every one since has been riddled with the words could, would, should, might, may etc, etc, but now we see the introduction of new and equally superfluous wording 'it is conceivable'. The problem as I see it both on here and in the wider world is there are far more Remainers desperate for things to go titz up so they can say 'I told you so", rather that hoping they were wrong and things actually pan out for the better. It's all rather unedifying to be honest and says a great deal about the kind of people who think this way....none of it being particularly good imho.
  2. Courtesy of the Evening Standard..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/poles-are-now-largest-foreignborn-contingent-in-britain-as-migration-grows-a3329321.html Poles are now largest foreign-born contingent in Britain as migration grows MARTIN BENTHAM Thursday 25 August 2016 Net migration has continued at near record levels.
  3. Well I think I've found a solution to your problem Mike. Reverese your C/W ratio, or even improve in to 11 months C and 1 month W. Simples really
  4. Things look very unlikely to change based on the latest BBC report, primarily because it's clear both sides have much to lose and very little to gain by returning the border to Kent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37211267
  5. Yes indeed, what we were guaranteed to continue getting was uncontrolled immigration from the EU, which would have kept the net migration in the 100's of thousands rather than reduced to the 10's of thousands pledged by this government. What we knew we would get as a result is continued pressure on already massively stretched public services, further increasing pressure on GP services already stretched to the absolute limit and yet greater downward pressure on wages. 52% of the country recognised these and other problems associated with being in the EU and decided they did not like what they saw, 48% either decided better the devil you know or like you concluded the potential risks involved outweighed the potential gains. The point is no one really knows how this is all going to pan out, but Paul is absolutely right in saying all the doom and gloom (whether business or personal) can and will have a detrimental effect on things overall, creating a feel bad factor rather than a feel good one. Once on that slippery slope it will be very difficult to get off it, so imo it's time for you to recognise and accept we are where we are and pulling in the same direction is the only real option open to all of us. As Paul also alluded too no one in their right mind expects all our problems to be solved the minute we leave the EU, but equally no one on their right mind believes that in this day and age the whole economic and social structure of the UK is going to implode catastrophically either - the reality lies somewhere in the middle and both sides should have equal input into where our sticks are ultimately placed, but meaningful input as opposed to constant looking back in anger.
  6. You left wingers really like appeasing foreign governments!
  7. The french have been calling for the scrapping of the Le Touquet agreement for years, so in or out of the EU this was always going to be a hot potato and just highlights how ineffective everyone has been in dealing with the situation. Just as with post Brexit Britain, this channel situation is organic and things will change as new circumstances unfold. Even if it were to happen though, Le Touquet says there has to be a minimum of 2 years notice, so plenty of time for the french and the EU to sort this mess they alone created.
  8. IF the border is relocated to Kent, new rules will be in place and central to that will be the checking of vehicles and passports before leaving france. Anyone not picked up in france that makes it to the UK would then be returned, along with a fine for the country from which they were allowed to depart illegally.
  9. Incorrect.....IF the border is relocated to Kent the whole game changes and anyone wishing to travel to the UK will need to show a passport before leaving France. Anyway the whole argument is superfluous because it won't be happening, Eurostar is half owned by the french government and the likely loss of revenue from such a controversial move will kill the idea stone dead.....but not before the Remain fearmongers have milked it to death no doubt!
  10. And how are they going to do that...all you are doing is scaremongering yet again. Countries cannot just go dumping people on other countries, it just does not happen in the real world. Without passports those in the Jungle will not be allowed to travel legally to UK, even if they have sought asylum and been successful. As for the vast majority who simply refuse to even do that, well they've go no chance. As for the illegals... well the numbers in which they are currently coming is so high any reduction will be seen as a victory. How can the situation in the Jungle be our problem and not theirs...what world are you in? Yes the vast majority of them are not interested in living in France and simply see the UK as their holy grail, but if it were not for open borders in France (which we oppose) those people would not have been able to travel to the Calais area in the first place. So it is the fault of the EU and the french, simple as!
  11. Well if Sarky thinks moving the border to Kent will mean the Jungle also relocates with it he will be sadly mistaken. If the border returns to Kent we will find it much easier to spot illegal immigrants arriving on our shores. As far as the law is concerned it is incumbent on all nations to ensure those that leave their borders have the required paperwork to enter the country they travel to, otherwise they will be immediately returned and a fine issued to the country from which they departed. So whilst the french may have the right, they will probably realise quite quickly that exercising it will work against them.
  12. The truth is the whole post Brexit discussion has just an extension of the fear filled pre Brexit discussion, with all sorts of wild, unsubstantiated claims being made by those with very obvious agendas. Without question the one crystal clear fact in all of this is uncertainty does no one any favours and there has been an absolute boatload of that since Jun 24th, enough in fact to have caused a complete and utter economic meltdown, if you believed some on the pre vote hype. To this end I think we will start to see a very different approach from HM Govt in the coming days and weeks, strong leadership is required here, along with cool heads and some genuine self confidence that we can and will make this work. I think those involved in negotiating our Brexit accept the task ahead will be difficult enough with everyone pulling in the same direction, but if we continue to pull in opposite directions that task becomes impossible and everyone loses.
  13. What is wrong exactly with moving the UK border back to Kent?
  14. It is not and never has been up to Brexiters as you call them to give people confidence and it is in no way on their shoulders. Both those things are now down to government and I suspect after Weds brainstorming meeting at No10 you will hear a very different and much more cohesive message being decimated. May has made it perfectly clear that the UK will be leaving the EU and I suspect those in cabinet who continue to whinge and whine about the validity of her mandate will very quickly find themselves as ex cabinet members. I suspect Article 50 might well be triggered before the end of 2016 now, especially in light of the increased chatter from the Germans, because as far as the EU is concerned when they say jump the rest just ask how high.....thankfully that will no longer include us.
  15. Bank holiday sales have taken quite a hit. Quote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37212179 Bank holiday shopper footfall 'down 4%' The number of people out shopping in the UK on Saturday and Sunday fell by 4.1% compared with last year's August bank holiday, retail researchers say. Analysis firm Springboard had predicted a 6.5% increase in footfall at shopping centres, retail parks and high streets. Springboard's Diane Wehrle told the BBC it was "quite a surprise to see the magnitude of drop", and said it could not be explained solely by bad weather. I too think it's pretty obvious why SS posts this kind of stuff, but that aside I'm struggling with the logic anyway. Firstly the BH weekend weather has not been bad, in fact it's been pretty good, but more to the point I'd expect retail parks and more especially shopping centres to actually see increased sales during bad weather. I think the drop is probably down to decent weather getting most people out and about in the fresh air to enjoy the last BH of summer, but irrespective of the facts some will blame fears over Brexit (often without directly saying it however) regardless.
  16. Agreed, but why? Perhaps the reason lies in the example of a local flooring firm who set up with the intention of supplying stone tiling to the UK and European market. In the end they were simply forced to give in, based on the enormous costs involved in satisfying the red tape emanating out of Brussels, which was 90% greater than that that came from Westminster. You are clearly an intelligent guy Nick, so quite why you continue to deny the EU offers up just as many problems as solutions is a mystery to me. Is Mike winning you over with his claims of European utopia?
  17. Agh right - so when I made a perfectly valid point on Friday your response was to call me a troll, for no other reason than holding an opposing view to you, now I again make a perfectly valid point you tell me to give it a rest.....democracy in action eh? For the record we were told this earlier by ciel and you 'liked' it. Ergo the other 52% which included me and the family members you alluded too clearly were not capable of exercising reasoned judgement on the information available....so did you just like her post for the sake of it? Perish the thought eh?
  18. No, unlike you, who choses to disbelieve everything that does not make the SNP out to be the best thing since sliced bread. I'm perfectly comfortable with where we are right now, we are leaving the EU and irrespective of what Turgid might claim we will be taking you with us imo....which is probably why it's you who is getting twitchy.
  19. Like me they may not be racists, but also like me as Leave voters they are obviously intellectually inferior to you and were again like me simply incapable to seeing through the lies and misinformation....or does that kind of thing only apply to 'other' non family Leavers?
  20. Calm down dear! What do you want me to do, I'm not in a position to influence anything, but thankfully I did take the one and only chance to do so when offered on Jun 23rd....as did 17 million others. So I'm now more than happy to let the Brexit negotiators formulate a plan on my behalf, but the one thing I want to see at the centre of it is an end to free, unfettered movement of people from the EU, with some sort of points based system introduced to replace it. Beyond that I'm happy to consider all options, of which I'm sure there will be many.
  21. Well obviously, considering the entire 48% were intellectually superior and still are.....didn't stop them losing tho did it....
  22. So are you suggesting that all 48% who voted Remain did so because they exercised reasoned judgement on the information available?
  23. Incorrect yet again....It was Cameron who created this in an attempt to unify his party, but since he has chosen to take the cowards way out it is now down to his predecessor to clear up the mess, which means honouring the majority vote of the electorate and leaving the EU.
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