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I’ve nothing new to add to this thread this morning but I am posting to say how very enjoyable and interesting I have found this discussion to be. Every member has a slightly different, but equally valid and arguably correct view of the present challenges facing the human race and the various proposed solutions and forecasts are all fascinating to read. My thoughts this morning are that if only we had some people in positions of power around the world who showed even half the intelligence and commitment to a better future for the planet that the people on this website do, we might hope for some really positive action. Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen, is it.
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sundog “it’s the rate of change that is also a big problem”. Definitely. The human race is supremely adaptable to different environments and would probably survive almost any amount of climate change even if this occurred over a short period, but most other species are far less able to cope with rapid environmental changes and would find it hard to evolve fast enough. There would likely be a catastrophic extinction event as a result. However, even the human race would face enormous challenges if the major ice caps melted and global sea levels rose accordingly. There is no way we could relocate all the worlds major coastal cities and ports even within the space of a couple of centuries and eventually, without modern forms of transport or power generation, the human race would probably have to revert to subsistence farming, and a medieval existence at best.
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WYorksWeather. I strongly agree with you on the various points you raised there, as underlined…..
”There are potential cost savings as well - e.g. reductions in heating costs from better insulation, …” …”there are costs as well - due to poor government management - e.g. …. not providing adequate public transport,”
“ Can we solve the problem on our own though - no of course not. “ but “…… we're not doing anywhere near enough adaptation, either.”
There are so many more positive, but less economically damaging, things we could be doing with respect to adaptation but in my own opinion recent British governments of both persuasions have not concentrated enough on them, possibly because they are not seen as vote winners. For example, the obsession with the private motorist and the headlong rush towards electric cars seems to me to be addressing only one transport issue while the air travel industry, road haulage and shipping seem to be immune from action as far as their contribution to global emissions is concerned. Shipping emissions alone far exceed ICE emissions from cars, reportedly….(although this might be out of date by now..):
Infographic: How Maritime Emissions Compare To Cars In Europe
WWW.STATISTA.COM
This chart shows CO2 from ships vs emissions from national car fleets in 2019 (million tons).Why have we not seen the introduction of 21st century technology wind power on large ocean going ships, if only as a supplement to the existing marine diesels, or diesel-electric engines, and I imagine that at least some commercial shipping could be converted to electric or part-electric propulsion (Submarines proved this technology works decades ago). In general the willingness to cooperate and tackle climate change globally by all the countries of the world seems so disjointed and haphazard that I am afraid the human race might have already missed the chance to put the brakes on.
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WYorksWeather “No donation to charity will solve any major world problem by itself, so no one should donate to charity or volunteer. Politicians are elected by the votes of millions, so voting is pointless.”
I’m not sure your comparable examples of mass action versus individual inaction prove your point. You mention two examples of people DOING something positive en-masse where the argument for NOT doing the thing is that it would make no difference to the outcome. But the example actions you give (donating to charity or voting) are both positives and cause no harm either way. Inaction is an easy option because no harm is directly caused by it.
The argument against trying to reduce our carbon emissions to zero is that the majority of the world’s population are NOT doing it, and our efforts alone are likely to make no difference to the climate. The fact is that if the rest of the world were all moving towards net zero and the UK carried on as we are, our current emissions level would have no measurable impact on whether the climate continued to warm or not. But the Net Zero policy does have a downside - it’s likely to cause long term economic harm to the majority of ordinary people in this country so in this case taking action to reduce our CO2 emissions appears to have a more dramatic negative effect than a positive one. There is even an argument for increasing emissions in the short term so we can achieve energy generation independence especially if the future economic success of this country is considered an important factor (I realise this is heresy but all ideas should be allowed discussion!).
If we are making strictly national policy decisions now which focus on how we think the global climate will look in 50, 60 or 70 years time we MUST also consider what the global economy, politics and migration patterns are likely to be with or without climate change. It’s no good doing our little bit to benefit the 2070 climate if our entire industrial, economic, and societal infrastructure is unable to withstand the challenges posed by the rest of the world’s population in just 20 or 30 years….
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It’s high time we had a really extended spell of warm sunny Spring like weather. I’m absolutely fed up with wet, foggy, drizzly, cloudy, cool, windy and grey. I want some warm sun to dry out the soggy ground and the mud and puddles which have been plaguing the lanes round here for months now. Let’s have a warm and dry April - PLEASE
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A couple of hours of wild weather must be expected on Sunday evening as Storm Isha crosses Wales this weekend. This is the picture from the UKMO showing gusts widely around 70mph (120kph) at 10:00pm Sunday…..
I think we can expect somewhere in the most exposed areas to record over 90mph at some point. Hope my shed can take it….!
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9 hours ago, wimblettben said:
First set of photos were taken yesterday after the brief sleet and snow showers in the early hours. We had a light sleet shower around midday that then cleared to sunny spells for most of the afternoon. But then a heavier sleet shower came over in the very late afternoon which would later freeze and compact during the night hours as temps fell below freezing leading to lethal icy roads.
Then these were the scenes we had this morning as we walked up our local road after the temperature had reached its lowest value of -7.5C.
Really not good that the roads were not gritted as several people had been stuck around our hamlet for most of the day as they haven't been able to drive back out.
Great pictures - except for the upturned car which is nasty! How on earth did it end up on its roof? They never grit lanes like this round here - just the A roads, and the B-roads if you’re lucky! Icy hills and sloping cambers in the early morning frosts are extremely treacherous.
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Interesting article which shows all the usual weather models and their various interpretations of the cold weather ahead…..
Maps show the dramatically varying forecasts for a massive snowstorm over Wales next week - and the huge uncertainty that remains - Wales Online
WWW.WALESONLINE.CO.UK
There remains huge uncertainty about the prospect of a "historic" snowfall in WalesSo, as usual, there’s no agreement.
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20 minutes ago, Ali1977 said:
Oh what a beauty! Pity it’s still in FI but we can dream, can’t we?
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It’s Christmas Eve - no snow and it’s warm enough to be March but at least the heatings bills will be smaller than usual! We are definitely going to get blizzards in the New Year - in my dreams at least - but we’ll have to wait for models to catch up with my forecast!
NADOLIG LLAWEN to everyone on here and I hope you have a lovely restful and stress free day tomorrow. 
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1 hour ago, Wetterfrosch said:
Hurray, the rain has stopped, the clouds have lifted and broken up and there is even some sunshine!
Better make the most of this short dry interlude today before things go downhill again. What a miserable few days it has been but at least I am assured now that no one has stolen the mountains while i couldn't see them!
Another uplifting thought is that according to MetO astronomical data tomorrow's sunset will be at 16.01 opposed to 16.00 today!!!
Yes - what a difference! Blue sky at last and we can start to dry out a bit. No significant rain expected now until the 23rd - but precious little sunshine either so must make the most of the afternoon….. Must now go and wash the car, I suppose.
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Is there a relatively simple explanation why this volcano has erupted simultaneously along a fissure rather than from a single vent? Once the pressure has created a single way out for the magma why does it continue to break out in other places? A stupid question probably but I don’t understand the mechanics of it.
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8 hours ago, Marcus_surfer said:
Feels like its been raining for a good 48 hours here and still coming down
It’s been relentless now for a solid 48 hours and more to come. Here’s the rainfall accumulation forecast until 3:00pm tomorrow according to the UKMO showing that some areas can expect another 30mm (does not include the rain that fell yesterday)….
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Someone’s going to have Christmas with snow on the ground, at least, according to the GFS this morning….
……but it won’t be me!
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Our Christmas present from GFS ….
A short-lived side swipe but better than nothing. I hope we’re not disappointed when we finally unwrap it……
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However…..the GFS now suggests that we’re going to be stuck on the warm side of a powerful Jet Stream for at least a week which means relentless Atlantic westerlies…..
This jet really needs to move south if we’re going to get any snow in December.
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White Christmas? It’s not impossible…..
If I see it on Netweather, I believe it! Keep those fingers and toes crossed for a north-easterly all the way from Scandinavia.
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Phew! Glad that’s over with. Nice calm, partly cloudy but still dry start here. Looking forward to a couple of settled days ahead with the promise of a longer settled period of weather leading up to Christmas. No snow on the horizon as it stands, unfortunately! GFS to the 19/12….
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VERY windy here over the last hour but no rain so it’s just a wind storm.
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Nothing much to write about the weather tonight but I did enjoy these lovely cloud formations just after sunset……
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Weather headlines tonight….
Live updates as Storm Elin flood warnings and alerts issued in Wales - Wales Online
WWW.WALESONLINE.CO.UK
Storm Fergus has also been named to hit on SundaySo, Storm Elin to be quickly followed by Storm Fergus, with wind rain and flood warnings aplenty. Just another standard weekend of Winter weather for Wales, really….
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Peak wind gusts now likely to occur between 6:00pm and 7:00pm tonight according to the Icon…..
Looks very windy for northern hills and the coast of Anglesey.
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Some early signs of a deep Atlantic low pressure system arriving at the end of the week which could bring some strong winds again. Too soon to say whether this will end up as a ‘storm’ but it’s worth watching to see if it amplifies over the next few days…
UKMO wind gusts Friday 3:00am (NB certain to change over the next few days)….
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Changing Attitudes: Climate Change
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WYorksWeather Pretty much reversing all the cuts to the rail network made in 1960’s, by people who had a vested financial interest in expanding road transport? Shame we made such disastrous decisions back then but I suppose we didn’t know how damaging road transport was going to be for the atmosphere at the time. Even now I don’t think our rail network is properly made use of by the people who run it but that’s nothing new, really.