Mods could you just allow this one indulgence, I rarely post as I tend to meander and get suspended, but I have to reply to Tom as nostalgia is not what it used to be. Okay that said: Tom I was born of Camberwell Grove and played at the age of ten in the snow in Camberwell Grove itself in the great winter of 62/63 . Someones name on this forum sums up that winter perfectly. 'Froze were the days'. Sorry mods , but it is the season of good will.