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  1. Stupid question so here goes, can the HOL in their reading of the Scotland Bill amend it with a new permanency clause?  HOL has ex Labour Scottish MPs who must realize the tide of political awareness sweeping through the country.

  2. Quite a comical scene this morning on the Andrew Marr show, whilst reviewing the Sunday papers. Andrew Marr brought up the subject of Jim Murphy and how popular he was amongst Blairite supports, the unions and media, the lady reviewing the papers (sorry didn't catch her name), answered he isn't popular with the people and that's what counts (or words to that effect)....tumbleweed moment, then moving on....Made me giggle. Maybe, just maybe, the BBC will eventually accept their man Jim Murphy is a failure and now history.

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  3. Do you know what the policies of the Greens are?

    Or are you voting for them as a 'protest' vote?...

    (I told my self repeatedly that I wouldn't 'bite' but I've failed yet again)

    Yes I know why I am voting Green, not to spite the other parties....millionaire politicians was just a observation and can see why you questioned me. I don't agree will all the Green party policies, but are closer to my views.

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  4. Another thing  (sorry for two posts lol my brain is just waking up here) - part of the reason for the SNP support is that there is no competition. People down south who are on zero hours contracts, who are stuggling like hell with chronic illness but are being sanctioned (and starved sometimes), who are forced to live in 2 bedroom homes because their council has no 1 beds and can't afford the bedroom tax, they have nobody to vote for.

    No hope for them at all - because Labour seems to have abandoned its roots and turned into pink tories.

    I've never voted Labour but my dad did all his life and used to tell me how things were, way back. I know without a doubt that the tories would be quite happy to turn the clock back to the old days - look at Ian Duncan Smith for goddsake. I feel so sorry for voters south of the border who have nobody to vote for!


    Well there is the Green Party south of the border. I realize they have not much hope of being in Government, but they get my vote, as the main three parties are  self serving millionaire politicians... just my thoughts!

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  5. Well on drive home from work, Radio 2 news was full on about Lord this and Lord that justifying the need for tactical voting against the SNP. Democracy has come full circle. The unelected lords now telling us to be undemocratic and vote for a party of the union and not of your choice. The BBC are pushing this well and will keep the story alive to keep it in the back of unsuspecting folks minds until election day. Would be great if it back fires and more people vote SNP in spite of those BBC/Lords.

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  6. Happen to see a brief snippet of the Sunday politics show, the panel were worried that Labour might not be able to form a coalition government if the SNP have 20 MPs after the election 2015. It may have just dawned on the Labour that they are in trouble in Scotland. New leader, new sense of direction and the BBC to help? (New sense of direction will be regurgitated propaganda....that's the cynic in me). 

  7. The way I see it, Westminister wants a quick fix to more devolved power to Scotland, all nicely wrapped up by GE 2015. Unfortunately the cats are out of the bag, there will be lots of scrambling about try to make concessions to each party, but ultimately, if more powers are not forth coming remotely close to "home Rule", then things will become very interesting in Scotland and the elite in Westminster.


    As it has been said before, this is the being of the end for cosey two party monopoly in UK governance.

  8. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29606220


    Having read this article on the BBC, I looked at the comments page and the top rated are not looking good for labour...most people will get the impression that Labour are undemocratic with this english only votes. More importantly, Labour have not grasped the concept that in Scotland they are already losing support and with UK MSN portraying them in the undemocratic light they could shed further support.

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  9. Reference the new up take in SNP membership. I think this has a great deal to do with the "safety in numbers" analogy. By creating an entity larger than oneself, you have a better chance to be heard and taken more seriously. This has been born out of campaigning and engaging in politics, also reading impartial material via the social media. SNP increased membership will also make Westminster sit up and take note that the people in Scotland are watching them...this is my take on the evolution of politics in Scotland.


    One further point, I was going to suggest last week that as soon as there is a "NO" vote in the referendum we will see Westminster looking at going to fight in Syria and Iraq...just wish I had mentioned it...this scenario in north Africa looks stage planned does it not?

  10. So the vote for "divorce or not" is underway.

    It's like going through a divorce where one partner has all the say, the power and the other partner has none whatsoever. We just sit there, wait for the result of the divorce, make promises to the other partner at our expense to keep them in the relationship but nothing in return?

    When this is over and whatever the result, Westminster needs to get their backside kicked into gear and sort the constitutional mess we are in because IMO, the constitution is on the rack at the moment.

    I think we should have a fully elected second chamber or if not it's abolition.

    I think we should have a federal type of system, a bit like Canada and Australia, whether Scotland stays in the Union or not. The constitutional imbalance now is unsustainable.

    People have to be encouraged to vote, they need to be positively engaged in politics. The turnouts at the last 3 general elections have been too low.

    A complete review of constituency boundaries, a complete review of our voting systems. How many different voting systems are we using now?

    A review on when we vote in our elections. Why is it always a Thursday? What about the weekend or some other day?

    100% agree with these comments.

    Our politicians still believe and act in a way that the great British Empire is still alive and well. They spend our taxes on illegal wars and helping the financial banking institutions, but deny the people a decent living wage, a decent living pension and allow the most vulnerable people in society to have to rely on charities to help them feed their children.....is this a society we want to live in?

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  11. Reference the polling data. SS has been saying for ages that the weighting has been wrong and few fellow posters on here even laughed mocking at the figures that have been blatantly skewed when the H&I showing at majority NO vote....when it should have been the other way round!


    The No campaign has been too negative, nothing to offer except fear. This becomes depressing, even the most die hard No campaigners will tell you this. There needed to be some positivity, but nothing was on offer except, stick with us and you will be ok.


    The reason,I think, that Devo-Max was not offered, was because Westminster does want to relinquish any powers. For example, WLQ has never been address, why..because allowing devolved areas to vote only to applicable countries, would mean less Westminster say, less work for the HOL and less legitimacy to withdraw powers at a later stage...looking like Big Brother. So maintaining those votes at Westminster (even if it looks unfair and undemocratic to English voters) is paramount to having the finger on the trigger to withdraw any devolved powers in one swift action. This is further tied up by the reluctance to deal with the HOL question on an elected second chamber, to have a proper federal UK we will need a elected second chamber and an English only parliament, this is not going to happen that is why Devo-max was never on offer.

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  12. I think what he really means, it hasn't been discussed in parliament, which he is correct. It's parliament to discuss not to be a rubber stamp to this.

    Also the imbalance as regards to England will increase. If you look at the current situation, England has a democratic deficit, IMO. Giving Scotland further powers than the rest of the UK has to be address and especially England.

    I saw a Labour Shadow minister, the other day, trying to tackle the West Lothian question, she was floundering.

    That has to be addressed.

    That was my take on this too. Parliament is where democracy takes place. The promises by the main three No parties of more devolved power, is that, just promises.


    I remember promising my boys a holiday, my car went seriously wrong, such is life, and I had to reneigh on that promise due to lack of funds. Likewise the UK Government may decided after a No vote that they would like to join in the fight against ISIS, and say sorry Scotland, but we have more pressing needs at the moment and we could really do with keeping the tax receipts afterall...but we promise we will look at it again after you vote for us in the next election...promise! 


    Once HOC and HOL have taken their toll on the promises and made concessions to meet each others political requirements, Scotland will be lucky to have been devolved the power to use screwdrivers. I know that I come across as being cynical but that is the reality in the current UK political arena. If politicians can not tackle the WLQ or the HOL question, what chance has Scotland got.

  13. Newsnet are covering a story from a radio 4 programme, that there will be no new powers devolved to Scotland in the event of a "no" vote!

    What Christopher Chope is saying, that there are enough backbench Torys that do not want further devolution given to Scotland and that Westminister can only give Scotland more powers. 


    Challenged by the presenter that it would not be no change, Chope replied: "It will be, because we can't change the constitution without the approval of the United Kingdom Parliament and that seems to have been lost in this debate."



  14. Not sure of what to make of the news reported earlier in this thread that the three main UK parties are in urgent discussions to offer more devolution the the Scottish parliament. What does this say to the average Scottish voter?

    Just a thought, one way I suppose, is parliament pushes through urgent and permanent new devolved powers to Scotland (devo-max) before the vote and promises reform to the HOL to an elected second chamber....pure fantasy I know, very big resistance to HOL. This federal agreement would also have to be applied to Wales and NI in the near future too.


    I know what I am saying is fantasy and people will still be angered by the arrogance and complacency shown towards them by the UK parties and MSM.


    I read an article yesterday or the day before about the fall out for the rUK in the event of a yes vote. People are just waking up to the idea that the rUK would be forced into constitutional reform too, as 90% of the remaining electorate are residing in one of the three remaining countries...Interesting times ahead. 

  15. Any polls out today, as it seems weird that so close to the referendum that polling data is non existent...is this normal?  Surely, the public need to know what the mood of the voters is taking the country. I am genuinely worried about democracy here and no conspiracy theories intended.   

  16. Something odd is going on with this lack of polls.

    Conspiracy warning to readers of my post....maybe there are, but have not been published due to large swing to the yes vote!


    On a serious note, does anyone know if "Wings" have any plans to do more polls before the vote?

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