thetonynator

Where are you getting the idea that the 'good ice' is on the Atlantic side? Ever map I've seen has shown a strong Beaufort gyre which has pushed the vast majority of multi year ice towards the Pacific side.

11.0 please.

I'd imagine we will see some record breaking months possibly from August/September onwards, maybe a little later, the way tings are looking at the moment!

9.5 please.

I don't see why you want to bring sentiment into it, the figures are objective, you don't need to bring sentiment into it at all. Area continued to grow while you tried to say it was ice breaking up and spreading out. Another new area max yesterday for the record, 13.487 million. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html Also interesting to note that it's only the second time since 2007 that the anomaly hasn't had its traditional 'near normal' period in late winter, although obviously a slow start to the melt season bring the extent and area temporarily a bit closer to normal.

You also said last week when there was a big extent jump that is was just the break up of ice, yet area took a massive leap also. For the record, area hit a new max on friday. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

Ye should all move to the west of Ireland. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=1999

Have you any sources for these theories or is it just plain speculation?

The cold wasn't bottled up, the polar vortex spent the entire winter over North America while the arctic experienced well above average temperatures.

7.0 please.

5.0

5.8

I understand that I'm more pointing out that some people will only ever take note of the negative points, and will completely ignore a situation that is not dire.

I'm not confusing anything 'G', I understand its insignificance completely just pointing out your double standards. Just for the sake of argument, the antarctic ice area is 13.2% above average at the moment, whereas 7 days before the solstice in the northern hemisphere the arctic ice was 6.5% below average.

If ice area levels were currently 1.2m km^2 below average, you would be harping on incessantly about albedo and feedbacks, yet when they are 1.2m km^2 above average there isn't even a mention about the positive feedback effects this could be having? Especially given that it is now mid summer in Antarctica and the sun is approaching its highest angle. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

This years antarctic winter pattern has been very similar to last years, which resulted in the second highest min on record. I wonder what ''some folks'' who are ''deluded'' and ''misleaders'' will say if that is repeated this season?

It is low, very low in fact. 2 million sq km lower than the 1980's average extent - what amazes me is the lack of coverage any year gets, low or not.

Strong words from a man who repeatedly said we would never go above the 2007 minimum again.

Just to point out, any forecasts were made based on the old version of IJIS, which finished at 5 million, rather than the new version which s 200k lower.

I imagine after last year it would take several seasons of record cold in the high arctic to have much of a positive effect on sea ice.

Presumably because it fits an agenda! To be fair with regard to summer ice in the SH, last summer had the second highest minimum on record so presumably it does make some difference with albedo and more multiyear ice, but not much.

PIOMAS volume is a model and it gets quoted like gospel around here.

Ah right thanks, that makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of that!

Quick question for anyone who might know this: What causes the ice to the south of Hudson Bay to be thicker than the north? I would have though that it would be the other way around but this gif shows differently!

Also huge explosion of snow cover yesterday in the US, and hudson bay beginning to freeze.