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  1. This is rubbish. What we're getting now is nothing more than a variation of what has always been possible in the UK climate and we've had similar in the past. Ok the last major cold spell in southern Britain (and northern Britain for that matter) was in 2013, but in the grand scheme of things that wasn't long ago at all . We've had just as long and even longer periods between freezes in the past. Just look at the Winters of the mid 70s or the late 80s and the late 90s to mid 00s. Or indeed most of the early 20th century up until the 40s and you will find there were many periods that had mild dominated Winters. I don't know if we'll get a cold spell affecting southern lowland Britain this Winter (though my hopes rest with late January and February based on what more knowledgeable posters are perhaps thinking) but it will happen at some point undoubtedly.
  2. Just had a little bit of hail here with rain. It may not be snow but nice to see some icey precipitation close to Christmas rather than the liquid only variety.
  3. Yeah it's weird seeing those wintry scenes on Christmas cards, wintry themed Christmas decorations and at work hearing Christmas songs about snow and such. Not that the run up to Christmas is usually snowy (2010 was though) but it's often on the cold side and frost at least isn't too unusual. It's as you say more to do with the springlike temperatures that seem like a contrast to how the Christmas period should feel. Thing is I used to feel like even frost wasn't enough at Christmas time (I always wanted snow) but even a raw feel to the wind would feel quite festive at the moment. I wonder if in Australia they listen to the same wintry themed Christmas songs as we do aswell as have snow themed Christmas cards etc. Must be quite bizarre if they do being as it's actually Summer at Christmas time there. Anyway I suppose this very mild and almost springlike December is an experience if nothing else and next year it will surely be more seasonal. Though I'm sure your loving it Thunderbolt. Not that I hold it against you, as I suppose me and many others still have 2010 to look back on with fondness. Looks like it's your turn to have a December to your liking. Just as long as we can get January or February to my liking all will be forgiven.
  4. Can anybody send a link with all the monthly CET figures going back to 1659? I've tried looking on Google but can't find anything going back that far. Thanks in advance if you can.
  5. Thanks BFTV. Interesting how the top 2 warmest occurred in the 19th century, with the mildest been in 1868/69 and the second mildest been 1833/34 which was still in what was regarded as the LIA though. 1974/75, 1988/89 and 2006/07 aren't really a surprise being in the top 5 though. I wonder if 1685/86 isn't included either because it falls below the top 5 or because we've only got figures to the nearest .0 and .5 so the Winters of the late 17th century are excluded from the records? Also mods sometimes when I try to reply my previous reply comes up if it quoted someone. Which is why my last post is a blank one with a quote I blanked from Nick L. Why does this happen?
  6. Ok fair point. Does anybody know exactly which Winter stands as the mildest in the CET record though, because I heard it was that one. I have heard though that during that Winter that some people were praying for more seasonal temperatures and that the famous diarist Samuel Pepys noted that there were Butterflies about in either January or February apparently. The thing we've got to consider aswell is those CET figures are monthly averages rounded off to the nearest .0 and .5. There could have been some exceptionally mild days and weeks that those figures are masking.
  7. Actually the Winter of 1685/86 was apparently exceptionally mild, and may have been the mildest in the CET record. What's amazing though is this Winter occurred during the height of the LIA and just 2 years after what is regarded as the coldest Winter since records began, that of 1683/84.
  8. I sometimes take comfort from the knowledge that the early to mid 70s Winters were rubbish for cold and snow, especially as before I became interested in past Winter weather I assumed that the 70s were a cold and snowy Winters decade, but it seems that it wasn't until the late 70s and up to the mid 80s that there was a run of cold Winters. Maybe the 2010s will turn out to be a sandwich decade with cold snowy Winters to begin with and what is now turning out to be starting with Winter 2013/14 the mild filler and hopefully the end of the decade reverting back to the cold and snowy theme again. Though there's still time for this Winter to turn itself around, as a cold and snow fan it can't have started much worse.
  9. Yeah my heart sunk when I read his post too. Although he did say that if there ever was a Winter when we need a SSW it's this one. Hopefully it's the case where those long rangers haven't taken that possibility into consideration and if we do get one this pattern will flip. The idea that this Winter is going to carry on like this all the way through though is surely improbable. Though maybe until mid January certainly seems possible, but even then seems like a long wait from now.
  10. Maybe but I think our seasons can come in all different shapes and sizes so I think anything is possible really. And you say that although Winter 2010/11 started with a very cold December and ended with a mild February you don't think the opposite is likely. Well I don't see why not really. Truth is although the next couple of weeks don't look likely to produce any cold weather, in a months time we could be looking out our Windows at a deep blanket of snow for all we know!
  11. Do you mean (Dec-Feb)? Because looking at 87 for example (presuming you mean Winter 1986/87) the (mild, cold, average) looks right but below you've put (Jan-Mar) and in 1987s case that would have been (cold, average, cold) I think? So just checking whether you put (Jan-Mar) by mistake?
  12. February can be a severely cold month though. What about February 1947 which was one of the most famously cold months of the 20th century. Also February 1986 which was the last sub zero CET month before December 2010 and also February 1991 which was very cold and snowy in the first half at least. Not to mention that we can get deep cold post February like in March 2013 and that was late March. In fact i've heard statistically February is the coldest month of the year on average if not joint coldest or at least second coldest after January but probably little warmer than its preceding month.
  13. Thanks Jethro. Good to hear it's normal for this species. I thought the tree thought it was Spring. Going to have a look on Wikipedia to make sure. Looks like your reassuringly right.
  14. Yes and to add to that I think in Spring 2013 trees started blossoming exceptionally late to usual because of how cold it was.
  15. Doesn't surprise me, I saw a small flying insect (not sure of the species) in my bedroom this morning. And to add to that there's a small tree in next doors garden that already has big fat leaf buds on it, in early December of all times. It can't have shed this year's leaves more than a few weeks ago. I'm not really up on my tree species but on my way to Walsall today I saw a couple of small trees with what appeared to be bits of pink blossom on them. This is never right in early Winter and has got to be very exceptional to say the least. Probably has a lot to do with the almost complete absence of frost so far round these parts. Unseasonal would be an understatement to describe current conditions. Well I'm not really sure. As a general rule I think they do but I think temperatures can play a big part in their cycles. I know that shedding and blooming can differ from year to year so it can't be daylight hours alone that effects them. Saying that sunshine round these parts has been pretty low (today's been quite sunny though) so I don't really understand it. The vast majority of trees are now completely bare however, though some have got a few Autumn leaves still attached, though I suppose that's not too unusual for early Winter.
  16. Doesn't surprise me, I saw a small flying insect (not sure of the species) in my bedroom this morning. And to add to that there's a small tree in next doors garden that already has big fat leaf buds on it, in early December of all times. It can't have shed this year's leaves more than a few weeks ago. I'm not really up on my tree species but on my way to Walsall today I saw a couple of small trees with what appeared to be bits of pink blossom on them. This is never right in early Winter and has got to be very exceptional to say the least. Probably has a lot to do with the almost complete absence of frost so far round these parts. Unseasonal would be an understatement to describe current conditions.
  17. Granted. But honestly for most of us on here away from the North West our disappointment is more to do with the lack of cold and snowy weather in the models than the lack of dry weather, as for most of us that's what we look forward to in Winter. All I'm saying is just because this month doesn't show much promise of such (for now at least) doesn't mean that the whole Winter will be like this. And being as December rarely delivers much in terms of such weather in this part of the world and January and February are traditionally much more likely to, we shouldn't get to despondent at this stage is all.
  18. There seems to be alot of disappointment about this morning and I feel it too. However wasn't it always the case that any cold was expected later rather than sooner this Winter? After all being an El Nino year (and a strong one at that) no long range forecast promised much if anything this month. Even this sites own forecast predicted above average temperatures for this month. It did however predict cold for January and I do believe some long rangers are expecting a cold February so there's no need to get despondent yet. The Winter is very young at the moment at 6 days. Still 85 days to go (plus some more if you include wintry potential in March and beyond). And being as cold and snow has always been much more likely in the UK post New Year most of the time still alot to play for I think. Look at this way if we do get a good spell of cold and snow after the New Year most of us won't care that it was mild and snowless in December (not that it necessarily will be) so lets think of it like that shall we. We're expecting too much too soon really.
  19. Happy Winter everybody. The countdowns over and it's here. May all our snowy wishes and dreams come true.
  20. And how often did this happen. Not often I bet. Don't remember the end of November 1985 being as I was only 8 months old at the time but I reckon it wasn't like that at the end of November's 1984 and 1986 though. In fact i've heard that December 1985 was very mild but was followed by the last sub zero CET month before December 2010, which was February 1986. I've also heard that December 1986 was quite average and in the Christmas weather thread BFTP posted about his memories of Christmas 1986 and how mild it was, and we all know about how January 1987 was a different story with the South East of England in particular recording its lowest temperatures since the Little Ice Age, apparently. Some people expect too much too soon it seems. For example my Mum was telling me today how she's heard people saying how it doesn't feel like Christmas. Probably has alot to do with the fact that it isn't Christmas yet. In fact it isn't even December and Winter for another 9 minutes (at time of typing).
  21. We had a bit of drizzle here on Christmas Day 2012. But as for a really wet Christmas Day I think Christmas Day 1993 or 1994 might have been wet but I'm really not sure. Can't really remember Christmas Day 1990 which isn't surprising as I can only barely remember the snow in Winter 1990/91. But 25 years is quite something and to think we've had snow falling and lying on the odd Christmas Day since then.
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