Snow & Ice coverage in the Northern Hemisphere Winter 2019/20 in Weather Discussion - Autumn Posted October 30 3 hours ago, BLAST FROM THE PAST said: Hmmmmm, Ice free by 2007, no 2012, no 2015.....we have 12 years to save the planet. Goal posts Pete. But maybe everyone is learning more in their field as one progresses. And no it’s no Corbyn btw but I am a believer of natural cycles driving the climate. I take it you won’t be voting labour then Anyway this isn’t the CC thread so I shouldn’t have posted my thoughts as it quickly can derail things BFTP I haven't seen any science that says no ice by 2007, 2012 or 2015 so no goalposts haven't moved However, there is an increasing likelihood as the earth continues to warm and the arctic continues to warm much faster than everywhere else. 12 years means if we don't make massive reductions in emissions we risk reaching tipping points where we cannot limit the warming any longer as other positive feedback loops kick in. Arctic sea ice is actually declining faster than anticipated by the IPCC reports and models. If you are going to make grand claims they should be backed up and agree that this probably belongs in a different thread.