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Very sensible! Snow happened in June 1975: One of the most remarkable weather events of my lifetime actually, even though I was 4 at the time! Marginal, I hear you cry? But it happened.

Where there’s life..there’s hope.. this is exclusively for the coldies..if there is any left?...meow..yeah, I love cats..go figure!!?

Thanks for the invite Matt, accepted. I enjoyed the early February cold spell, it brought sub zero days and just enough snow to take the kids sledging, so was a shame to see it go and get replaced so quickly by spring warmth. I know it's a lot harder to create such cold 3 weeks later in early March, but not unheard of. Doesn't bother me seeing winter return, it's more interesting than warmth in March, lets face it, it's mild or warm most of the year, so gets a bit boring. EC certainly not painting a returm to mild like we saw last week, it's looking decidedly chilly from later in the week, perhaps turning cold.

Perfect illustration from Nick F as to why you don't rule out Winter just because its about to become March! Welcome aboard my cold chasing posse Nick...free membership for you Seriously folks the extended ECM mean is pretty eye catching for this time of the year..out towards the 9th of March and we have a cluster of runs going below-10 850s.. Thats pretty impressive in its own right! The chase commences....we need to keep as many of you coldies onboard....because the chaser is a mean mean hater of cold

Oh my, I feel faint, there’s actually some snaw on the Gfs 6z op..I need to go lie down now..exquise me!

Better weekend than initially forecast, was originally forecast on Friday to cloud over Saturday from that decaying front with a rather cloudy Sunday but instead was pretty sunny yesterday and another sunny day coming up by the looks of it.. As a consequence, frosts have been sharper than forecast, currently -4.2C

Like this.. Canon 5d mk III, 70-300mm lens. 1/60s, f11, manual focus, iso 100, self timer using mirror lock up and on a tripod.

Doing my final exams at Agri College in King Street Aberdeen about four floors up being distracted by powdery snow showers coming in off the North Sea. An abiding memory At home they had huge problems with cows with cracked teats because of the cold and had to cream them every day. Two weeks later I was home baling hay in 80 degree F heat and we were then able to make hay all summer without having to race to get bales in as every day was dry and we sold a lot of hay at prices it took 40 years to reach again. People with 30 acres of tatties bought up whole farms for cash and lots of new buidings went up too. Crops took a pasting with drought but not as bad as England so at least my first year farming was a good one with scarcity driving up prices(My Father had passed away the previous spring )and our one full time employee carried on with help from me every weekend in my last year at college.

Sad news today, Johnny Briggs ( Mike Baldwin) Coronation Street died..it made me cry...anyway, the ECM 0z ensemble mean is a little less cold than last nights 12z..although that probably doesn’t mean much since we are supposed to compare like with like!.....anyway..my opinion is that we have more chance of worthwhile wintery potential when it turns more generally unsettled towards mid March onwards when there is scope for cold zonality / arctic maritime!...hmm.hmm?...some will disagree but it’s just my opinion! ..meow..now where is my saucer of milk..?

"dead skies"...... dreadful weather conditions... Also, some are saying they dont want mild now because its mild most of the year..... but its not the same! these early warmer days in the sun are so refreshing and dont compare to warmth at other times of the year.

@Quinachafter being stuck in the dark with all her sisters for weeks or months I'm sure the bee was just glad to be out sunning itself. Nice enough today for us to check our bees, a quick peek anyway. All 7 colonies we went into winter with, and a couple were late swarms so not huge, have so far survived the winter. Now that's not to say the queens have, but one of the smaller gives had loads of pollen going in, which is usually a good sign. It'll likely be a few weeks yet before we can do a proper check to see if they all have laying queens. Looking like another couple of milder sunny days before a return to something colder. Forest tracks further up the hill still have snow in places too.

Too bloomin right I say! Lets hope we get a March cold spell, even if it is fairly short lived. Lets face it, at the end of August people often hope for more warm/hot weather in September, so why can't coldies want cold in March?!

Short term, all models in agreement of a quiet spell with high pressure ruling the roost. Pleasant days with mix of sun or bright conditions, some patchy cloud in places, early morning frost and possible mist or fog. By Thursday, models all show high pressure breaking off from Greenland and moving down through the UK next weekend, bringing colder NE feed. Feeling raw in the east possible wintry showers and generally cold for all with temps below average. Divergence thereafter, two scenarios likely: High pressure sinks south allowing Atlantic in, but not atypical zonal, given heights likely to sit to the far SW a cold longwave rough settling over UK, heights forced far to the west in and behind. High pressure tilts more to the east and south east, staying settled and relatively chilly, with heights trudging back west. Both scenarios suggest mid Atlantic heights by mid month and a possible northerly or north easterly or north westerly airstream. I don't foresee a very mild picture at all. Odds of colder better than milder. Could all change tomorrow..

Moon looks absolutely stunning tonight!

Where is Matt Wolves with the daily cold sermon?! I typically only comment in other threads during SE snow events or summer storm time, but have been following this thread with my invisibility cloak for ages.... But have much enjoyed the passion and optimism from fellow coldies, particularly Matt commander in chief it seems! Would love to see some more snow before we get stuck into any proper spring sunshine and warmth, as the last cold spell was a bit of a letdown here this far W in East Hants. Am I right in saying the "cold spell" is only going to last for a few days and generally just be cloudy & dry, before the atlantic influences our weather again? Seems there's some great outlooks on various GFS models and ECM but just too far ahead to be certain!

I've been thinking how I rate this Winter last few days. I rate this Winter 6/10 because its definately better than last year's, I had couple of weeks of cold weather and snow mostly light. Only seen 2-3 days of heavy snow lasted a few minutes here overall giving a slight covering. It could've been worse though.

Spring is a coming - first 2021 typhoon spotted on NH gfsp fi chart !

It’s not been that warm lol. People really do exaggerate on this forum sometimes. I’m still wearing my jumper and winter jacket. Yes I was able to take my jacket off, but put it back on again after a short while. There’s still a chill in the air. I don’t walk around in a t- shirt until it hits 20c at least.

A colder night than expected last night with a minimum temperature of -0.7°C, the first air frost since the cold spell earlier in the month. Looks like we will get another one tonight. Having some rather large diurnal ranges at the moment as is common at this time of year. Maximum was 15.0°C yesterday and 13.6°C the previous day. Noticing that it warms up much more rapidly here than in Crosby, one of the advantages of Moving inland. Might actually get April showers this year.

In the near term, this week, I do not like what I see. A moist slack flow off the N Sea=yuk, low ST and mist each day long!

15 months before I entered this world, but my mum was in hospital at the time in London and recalls looking out of the window watching heavy snow coming down! She also said two days later after being discharged, there was a heatwave and she was sunbathing!

I expected a a 2 or 3 day cold snap based on previous ens guidance. That ecm mean output though has raised an eyebrow suggesting something more prolonged.

I'll always be on a lookout for snowy weather right up to the point where it's physically impossible.

Today marks the 9th consecutive day with the max temperature above 10c at Leuchars. As a result the monthly mean has nudged +0.1c above average despite the notable cold and snowy spell early on. Currently 12c at Leuchars and 10c at Pittenweem. Second last day of meteorological winter but feeling springlike in the East Neuk!

There is the chance of a few wintry showers on thursday and friday before that high moving south covers us next weekend. Although 8-14 days is a long way off weather wise and much can change it does continue to look more likely that unsettled weather will effect the UK, temperatures are looking more likely to be average or a little below average for many with the possibility of snow to mostly higher ground in the north at times.. Gem control.. Gfs.. it may be particularly unsettled at times towards the end of that week with one or two spells of very strong winds and the small possibility of gales. Although another pattern showing up is a more south shift with the jetstream keeping the most unsettled weather to the south and west, smaller areas of rain, mostly hill snow and showers mainly around smal disturbances throughout the latter part of the week something similar to the Ecmwf this evening meaning not as wet if that happens.. I'll probably add more detail tomorrow

Interesting

Lawnmowers buzzing around this afternoon, Spring must be here!

Fabulous day again here after a frosty start at 2c Cows out at 7.30am to neeps in preparation for neep lifter at 10.00am.Only got as far as 1.00pm because of puncture on lifter so all change back to ploughing the second last field and clearing more stones.Meanwhile i was lifting last of parsnips/carrots in garden.

Beginning to feel the sun, but it is very deceptive, current air temp only 5.8 degrees, wouldn't think so.

Lovely morning, early frost and sunny spells. Mist over the lake. Quite cold at moment, just 4 degrees, indicative of the fact we are just about still in Feb and the sun doesnt quite have the punch in it still. Outlook very reminiscent of 2016.

Going to be another glorious day by the looks of things, clear blue skies at the moment. What was not expected is that the ground is white in the shade - hard frost last night with a low of -3.8c. Met office app well out on that one.

We had a sudden patch of quite thick mist after sunrise but this has now cleared into a lovely sunny morning.

Everything is white with frost again this morning but unlike yesterday, it’s a clear bright start so it shouldn’t take long for the sun to get to work.

My dad said the same here in North Yorkshire on their dairy farm,I wasn't born til 80. Seems remarkable these days that you could get snow as late as June. Summer 1995 was my best memory no rain all summer til September cows fed on straw and molasses as grass was brown,would love another summer like that now I'm out of it !!!

Hmm, I suspect you're correct Mike, but dare I say I'm hoping for a cooler summer this year, albeit not necessarily wet as after lockdown, many of us want to venture out?!

I throw in the towel in June usually.

Another gorgeous day and again the warmest day of the year, with a toasty (for Feb) 12.5c. Lots of warm sunshine, calm conditions, lovely stuff. Overnight low of -0.2c. Nature reacting to the conditions, this handsome chap decided to land on one of the sun loungers triggering a panic reaction from the child occupant and a sprint into the house - allowing the other half to grab the empty pew for the rest of the afternoon! Honeybees are rare round here at the best of times, so a surprise to see it. Plenty of geese also passing over heading north... Couple more days of this before crashing back to reality on Tuesday, cold grey Permagloom™ after that going by the Met forecast

Evening all It looks like another quiet evening on the Model Output Discussion thread but there were clear signs of a brief colder interlude next weekend as a lobe of HP broke off from Greenland and headed south across the British Isles before declining and allowing milder air back in. As always, we'll start with the medium range charts from GEM, ECM, GFS OP and GFS Parallel. T+144 (March 5th): T+240 (March 9th): At T+144, the models all look on the same page. The HP is moving quickly down over the British Isles with an accompanying push of much colder air as the NE'ly air flow moves down in front of the HP cell (-8 850s widely across the British Isles by T+144). From there, we have two scenarios - GEM, GFS OP and Parallel all have the HP declining quickly south west and opening the door to the Atlantic trough to move in from the north west. GFS OP and GEM have a notable negative alignment on the trough - Parallel is less certain. On its own tonight is ECM with a more complex evolution keeping the HP cell just to the north west of the British isles a little longer. As it declines south west, the Atlantic doesn't fill the gap and a new ridge moves up from the south west but the cold air persists. Moving on and the longer range T+312 and T+384 charts from GFS OP, Parallel and Control as well as CFS: T+312 (March 12th): T+384 (March 15th): As you might expect, no strong signal as we move toward mid month. The models suggest a longer or shorter period of Atlantic dominance with some cold and stormy conditions possible - Parallel looks particularly chill approaching mid month. It's hard to see a clear trend. It certainly looks as though we will see something much colder later this week and over the weekend as the sinking HP from Greenland pushes a NE'ly air flow in front of it down across the British Isles. From there, a period of Atlantic dominance which itself looks quite cold and stormy is the favoured outcome before perhaps a more settled trend mid month. Those who thought we had seen the last of winter a fortnight ago might be in for a surprise as the week develops.

Cold is favoured when a veteran member decides winter is over... We need you Mike, take one for the team

I think there's a tendency to flick a switch by some as we enter March each year, that somehow winter should be banished and we should now be welcoming in 'warmer' weather with thoughts of summer. More so this year, as I can totally understand wanting to move quickly to summer, given the carrot at the end of the stick of the relaxation of restrictions. But winter can bite back with snow, cold days struggling in low single figures and sub zero nights in March and even April. My blog I did for Netweather recently trawls through some of the notable flips in the past from spring-like warmth to winter snow and cold, even in April. Early spring warmth this year, but sometimes winter can bite back in March or even April WWW.NETWEATHER.TV Warmest day of the year so far, with 18.4C reached at Santon Downham in Suffolk. Spring has sprung for some after a winter that featured cold & snowy weather, but winter can bite back in... Yes, we may not see winter return until later in the year, but we certainly can't dismiss it returning until May. Back to the models, 12z EC det close to the London mean which stays cold, -5C at T850 from around the 5th through to the end. Maybe the EC is on to something with keeping high pressure close by, rather than bringing in a swift breakdown of the high from Atlantic lows, maybe the GFS too progressive? More runs needed ...

Not sure we know where this is going for the period days 6 to 10. Yesterday was high height anoms and by this morning we are looking at sliders and wedges. However wedges tend not to make sledges in March.

Trend week 2 March, unsettled and cool, a more southerly positioned jet with trough aligned NW-SE, possibly cyclonic, mid Atlantic heights as azores high retracts to the west, may be an evolution to a northerly. GFS has run with this trend for a bit and now ECM.

Not that we need proof that ecm just cannot do heights well post d8 compared to other models, it has, as expected flipped in line with other models now showing an Atlantic flow. Compare this morning and yesterdays 0z at d9 today: IMBY looking at the gefs: Dry for the next 8-days apart from the cold front Wed-Thur, temps dropping from mild mid-week to slightly below average for a few days before recovering. Unsettled post-d8. Run of the mill stuff really although the jet looks to be tracking to our southern regions so on the cooler side of the upper flow. Based on the cyclic nature of the NH profile I would expect further heights to build in the Atlantic post d13?

You and me both Don

Too early in the year for fireworks, but that little low coming up from Biscay midweek breaks out some showers on the models.

For sure tonight’s ECM 12z ensemble mean becomes colder than last night’s 12z mean..baby steps!!!....

Well, all I can say is I hope you re-consider during the next few days The last few days have been very spring like and I went for a 12 mile walk today in a t-shirt and wish I'd worn shorts, it was that warm in the sun! I want a final winter blast before spring proper!

Veteran? I’ve only been posting regularly in here since the BFTE 2018 (joined 2013). Most of the true veterans have stopped posting about this winter anyway. I am switching to summer mode now, and hope that will either a) help trigger a winter resurgence as you suggest, or b) allow us to talk about weather that might realistically do some damage to this horrid virus and hopefully some sunny warmth along with that.

I shouldn’t laugh but my ex father-in-law had a motor bike with sidecar when my ex and his brother were born, shame they didn’t have baby on board plates in the early 60s. They went all over in that, including a holiday to Ireland apparently.